i listen to all media but pay particular attention to the biased conservative media.

what i find striking is that during 8 years of bush, those on the left had legitimate concerns about iraq, budget deficits, and the creeping tyranny of federal survelliance on phones and emails.

now those on the left didn't talk secession or revolution but went out and organized, found a candidate and got him election.

the supposed patriotic right gets voted out of power and right away they talk of secessation, armed conflict and hoping for our president to fail.

there is something anti-democratic about the teabaggers and beckies.

in their attempt to paint everything as an obama conspiracy they seem to have forgotten that the majority of americans voted for obama and his policies.

they can't take the fact they are out of power and so resort to threats of violence.

its a disgusting turn of events

I'm not sure "anti-democratic" is the right term. Why not call them un-American? I'm sure that secession or revolution must fall in that category.

the supposed patriotic right gets voted out of power and right away they talk of secessation, armed conflict and hoping for our president to fail.
Really? I'm sure you have some examples, right?...
I'm not sure "anti-democratic" is the right term. Why not call them un-American? I'm sure that secession or revolution must fall in that category. How did this country get stated gain? I forget.

"How did this country get stated gain[sic]?"

Should I have mentioned that? Okay; a bunch of law-breaking un-British secessionists started it. What about it?

Secession: Rick Perry, Governor of Texas <link>

Armed Conflict: Uhh, what do you think these guns are for? Skeet shooting? Just look at the comments page of any article on guns.

Hoping for Our President to Fail: Rush Limbaugh, at the end of paragraph 3: <link>

Just because the right waives flags and attaches the word "Freedom" to everything they do, doesn't mean that they are good Americans.

"How did this country get stated gain? I forget."

It had something to do with democracy . . . but soon as the Republicans lose an election, they reach for their guns . . . they only appove of democracy so long as they're winnng.

It had something to do with democracy

No, it had something to do with liberty, a recognition that the government of the time was invading it. As the New Hampshire Constitution says, "whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."

So you want to overthrow our constitutional government in the name of liberty? Yours or mine?

I suppose quidfesti has the right to take up arms against the government and they have the right to take up arms against him. Only questions are, when will it happen and who will win? Unless he is all talk.

BC_6:

Hoping for Our President to Fail: Rush Limbaugh, at the end of paragraph 3: <link>

I'm not sure he's hoping for Obama to fail IN GENERAL. I think he's merely hoping that Obama will "fail" to make our country significantly more socialist. That's no different from liberals hoping that Ronald Reagan would fail to significantly reduce social spending.

Armed Conflict: Uhh, what do you think these guns are for? Skeet shooting? Just look at the comments page of any article on guns.

You have to remember that people felt threatened by the possibility of a terrible recession since well before the election, and a terrible recession tends to greatly increase poverty. I blame 1960s liberals for spreading the idea that poverty is a root cause of crime and that there is little the police can do about it until the root causes have been addressed.

It's a logical consequence that when poverty is threatening to increase, people will need to increase the measures they take to protect themselves from crime. The California state government's threat to release large numbers of prisoners early to save money, and the laying-off of police in many cities only adds fuel to the fire.

Secession: Rick Perry, Governor of Texas <link>

Well, we do have to keep the secession option alive just in case the Supreme Court ever rules that Americans DON'T have a Constitutional right to own and carry firearms.

Oh, Oh, call out the cameras just before Queerfish begins his revolution. I don't want to miss the videotape.

Do you suppose that is why the screwball right is signing up Promise Oath Makers Keepers?

So you want to overthrow our constitutional government in the name of liberty? Yours or mine? No, I don't want to overthrow the government. But I certainly recognize we could come to a situation where overthrowing the government would be the right thing to do. Do you really think otherwise?

I think that it is foolish talk.

quidfecisti:

So you want to overthrow our constitutional government in the name of liberty? Yours or mine? No, I don't want to overthrow the government. But I certainly recognize we could come to a situation where overthrowing the government would be the right thing to do. Do you really think otherwise?

Don't they teach civics classes in middle-school any more?

If you disagree with or are angry with some policy of the current government, here's what you do:

FIRST, you try to formulate some coherent expression of just what it is you're angry about. No, "we want our country back" doesn't qualify. Your complaint must express some perceived problem which is fixable by means of some specific changes in government policy.

SECOND: you try to propose some solution -- this means actual changes that could be made to the system that you feel might fix the problem. Again "we hate the media", or "we hate Americans who aren't like us." don't qualify as solutions.

THIRD: You try to persuade other Americans to understand and support your proposals. Screams and threats don't really work, even if they do attract TV coverage.

FOURTH: You accept the reality that, in a democracy, you're not likely ever to get the entire system to run in accordance with your personal preferences. And "the other guy" sometimes wins. If you can't accept those realities, find some non-democratic country to live in and have a ball there.

This absurd notion that terrorism to overthrow the US government is somehow "patriotic" seems, to me, to be about the stupidest and most anti-American concept in currency today. If you think it's acceptable to threaten violent overthrow of our democracy, then shame on you!

:- ( Eben, stop trampling on other people's dreams. If the option of violent overthrow of an unlikable government is taken off the table....well...I'm sorry but for some people there is just no longer any reason for living.