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Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by alicemarie
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Oh WAIT... You can't read it! Obama didn't put it on his White House Web Site like he promised. He said the Public would have 5 days to read and comment on any bill before he signed it.

Sorry! He Lied...Again!

CNN) -- Whether by omission or commission, both the White House and Congress get a dose of blame for not living up to the new era of transparency promised by President Obama.

The president's old campaign Web site still has this commitment there for all to see:

"As president, Obama will not sign any nonemergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House Web site for five days."

Well, the president broke that promise barely a week after taking office when he signed the Lilly Ledbetter Bill dealing with equal pay for men and women.

A good bill, and certainly one that could have survived a five-day comment period. So, maybe the White House folks just forgot?

But then there is Congress and the Stimulus Bill. How fast could you get through it?

According to the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation, lawmakers had just 13 hours to read 1,100 pages of material that would cost the American taxpayer $787 billion...

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Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by tubbs

The Senate Finance Committee is voting on a health care reform bill today. The bill has not gone to the White House yet. Stop lying.

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As Panel Votes Today, Democrats Look Ahead

By Shailagh Murray and Lori Montgomery
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, October 13, 2009

The Senate Finance Committee will hold a landmark vote on health-care reform legislation Tuesday that is expected to underscore the deep partisan divisions that have emerged and hardened over five months of debate.

Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by alicemarie
OH GOOD!!! That means it will be on the White House Web Site TOMORROW! Right?
Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by tubbs
I take it from your comment you're not familiar with the process through which bills become laws.
Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by Reptilicus

tubbs:
I take it from your comment you're not familiar with the process through which bills become laws.

alice too young for "Schoolhouse Rock", I guess.

Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by Reptilicus

Here ya go, alice....something Rush and Glenn never taught you-

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Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by alicemarie

Please do tell me, all seeing Tubb, when will the bill get to Obama so he can put it on the White House Web Site so we can read and comment on it before he signs it?

Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by alicemarie
Reptilicus:

Here ya go, alice....something Rush and Glenn never taught you-

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Reptile, can you tell me how many minutes into your cartoon does it say when Obama will get the bill and when he will put it on his web site for five days so we can read and comment on it before he signs it?

and when will you admit you were wrong?
by middleview
Is that going to happen anytime soon?
Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by J.MADISON
hey dumbshit...there is no final bill yat and there won't be for some time .jeez your as stupid as dirt.
Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by J.MADISON
tubbs:
I take it from your comment you're not familiar with the process through which bills become laws.
She's not familar with how water boils so don't expect alot from her.
Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by kgswiger

Alice, I sure hope you're not one of those people who have fallen for the myth that vaccines are safe.

Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by alicemarie
kgswiger:

Alice, I sure hope you're not one of those people who have fallen for the myth that vaccines are safe.

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Did you get your H1N1 shot? Maybe Reptile has a cartoon on the process of how a vaccine in made and tested to be safe!

Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by alicemarie

J.MADISON:
hey dumbshit...there is no final bill yat and there won't be for some time .jeez your as stupid as dirt.

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No final bill yet, and there won't be for some time? You would figure with a filibuster congress, it would move a little faster, huh?

Since you are smarter than dirt, can you tell me how many days the Stimulus Bill was on the White House Web Site so we could read and comment on it before he signed that bill?

Re: Hurry! Read the HealthCare Bill before Obama signs it today!
by tubbs

For alice. Your welcome:

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The Legislative Process How Bills Become Laws or Not

By Robert Longley, About.com

As part of its legislative process, the United States Congress1 considers thousands of bills each session2. Yet, only a small percentage of them will ever reach the top of the president's desk for final approval or veto3. Along their way to the White House, bills traverse a maze of committees and subcommittees4, debates, and amendments in both chambers5 of Congress.

The following is a simple explanation of the process required for a bill to become a law. For a complete explanation, see... "How Our Laws Are Made6" (Library of Congress) Revised and Updated by Charles W. Johnson, Parliamentarian, United States House of Representatives.

Step 1: Introduction
Only a member of Congress (House or Senate) can introduce the bill for consideration. The Representative or Senator who introduces the bill becomes its "sponsor." Other legislators who support the bill or work on its preparation can ask to be listed as "co-sponsors." Important bills usually have several co-sponsors.

Four basic types of legislation are considered by Congress: Bills7, Simple Resolutions8, Joint Resolutions9, and Concurrent Resolutions10.

A bill or resolution has officially been introduced when it has been assigned a number (H.R. # for House Bills or S. # for Senate Bills), and printed in the Congressional Record11 by the Government Printing Office12.

Step 2: Committee Consideration
All bills and resolutions are "referred" to one or more House or Senate committees13 according their specific rules.

Standing Rules of the US Senate14
Rules of the US House of Representatives15

Step 3: Committee Action
The committee considers the bill in detail. For example, the powerful House Ways and Means Committee16 and Senate Appropriations Committee17 will consider a bill's potential impact on the Federal Budget18.

If the committee approves the bill, it moves on in the legislative process. Committees reject bills by simply not acting on them. Bills that fail to get committee action are said to have "died in committee," as many do.

Step 4: Subcommittee Review
The committee sends some bills to a subcommittee for further study and public hearings. Just about anyone can present testimony at these hearings. Government officials, industry experts, the public, anyone with an interest in the bill can give testimony either in person or in writing. Notice of these hearings, as well as instructions for presenting testimony is officially published in the Federal Register.

Step 5: Mark Up
If the subcommittee decides to report (recommend) a bill back to the full committee for approval, they may first make changes and amendments to it. This process is called "Mark Up." If the subcommittee votes not to report a bill to the full committee, the bill dies right there.

Step 6: Committee Action -- Reporting a Bill
The full committee now reviews the deliberations and recommendations of the subcommittee. The committee may now conduct further review, hold more public hearings, or simply vote on the report from the subcommittee. If the bill is to go forward, the full committee prepares and votes on its final recommendations to the House or Senate. Once a bill has successfully passed this stage it is said to have been "ordered reported" or simply "reported."

Step 7: Publication of Committee Report
Once a bill has been reported (See Step 6:) a report about the bill is written and published. The report will include the purpose of the bill, its impact on existing laws, budgetary considerations, and any new taxes or tax increases that will be required by the bill. The report also typically contains transcripts from public hearings on the bill, as well as the opinions of the committee for and against the proposed bill.

Step 8: Floor Action -- Legislative Calendar
The bill will now be placed on the legislative calendar of the House or Senate and scheduled (in chronological order) for "floor action" or debate before the full membership. The House has several legislative calendars19. The Speaker of the House20 and House Majority Leader decide the order in which reported bills will be debated. The Senate, having only 100 members and considering fewer bills, has only one legislative calendar.

Step 9: Debate
Debate for and against the bill proceeds before the full House and Senate according to strict rules of consideration and debate21.

Step 10: Voting
Once debate has ended and any amendments to the bill have been approved, the full membership will vote for or against the bill. Methods of voting22 allow for a voice vote or a roll-call vote.

Step 11: Bill Referred to Other Chamber
Bills approved by one chamber of Congress (House or Senate) are now sent to the other chamber where they will follow pretty much the same track of committee to debate to vote. The other chamber may approve, reject, ignore, or amend the bill.

Step12: Conference Committee
If the second chamber to consider a bill changes it significantly, a "conference committee" made up of members of both chambers will be formed. The conference committee works to reconcile differences between the Senate and House versions of the bill. If the committee cannot agree, the bill simply dies. If the committee does agree on a compromise version of the bill, they prepare a report detailing the changes they have proposed. Both the House and Senate must approve the report of the conference committee or the bill will be sent back to them for further work.

Step 13: Final Action - Enrollment
Once both the House and Senate have approved the bill in identical form, it becomes "Enrolled23" and sent to the President of the United States. The President may sign the bill into law. The President can also take no action on the bill for ten days while Congress is in session and the bill will automatically become law. If the President is opposed to the bill, he can "veto24" it. If he takes no action on the bill for ten days after Congress has adjourned their second session, the bill dies. This action is called a "pocket veto."

Step 14: Overriding the Veto
Congress can attempt to "override" a presidential veto25 of a bill and force it into law, but doing so requires a 2/3 vote by a quorum of members in both the House and Senate.

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