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Time for a new word
by kalaresh

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

Rape is one of those words. We need to be master of what we mean when we say rape. It has meant abduction -- remember the Rape Song from "The Fantasticks"? In the 1980s, feminist scholars thought it was useful to broaden the meaning of rape as a way of illustrating how the entire culture was bent on violence against women -- the musicologist Susan McClary wrote an infamous paper in which she describes the first movement of Beethoven's Ninth as an act of rape, the "pelvic thrusting" of his first subject obliterating the more "feminine" second subject. Meanwhile, women who have experienced actual unwanted forced sexual assault have to fight through all this semiotic crap in order for the truth of their specific plight to be heard. In this atmosphere, it seems inevitable that a few women would use this as license to lie or stretch the truth about their own regrettable encounters in order to get attention.

I know "forced sexual assault" doesn't have the same ring to it as "rape" does, but the word rape has always had a multiplicity of meanings and resists the temptation to put it in a linguistic and legalistic box. Perhaps in this way, when someone is forcibly sexually assaulted, we can give the victim the treatment and justice she deserves instead of having discussions of semantics we should have left behind in our college dorm rooms.

I also think that if we make our language more specific, there will be fewer women who would be tempted to lie about it. The term "rape victim" has taken on an iconic meaning of its own. (In a cosmic sense, all women are rape victims; I get it.) Let's narrow our terms so the system can better serve everyone.

Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk
kalaresh:

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master -- that's all.'

Rape is one of those words. We need to be master of what we mean when we say rape. It has meant abduction -- remember the Rape Song from "The Fantasticks"? In the 1980s, feminist scholars thought it was useful to broaden the meaning of rape as a way of illustrating how the entire culture was bent on violence against women -- the musicologist Susan McClary wrote an infamous paper in which she describes the first movement of Beethoven's Ninth as an act of rape, the "pelvic thrusting" of his first subject obliterating the more "feminine" second subject. Meanwhile, women who have experienced actual unwanted forced sexual assault have to fight through all this semiotic crap in order for the truth of their specific plight to be heard. In this atmosphere, it seems inevitable that a few women would use this as license to lie or stretch the truth about their own regrettable encounters in order to get attention.

I know "forced sexual assault" doesn't have the same ring to it as "rape" does, but the word rape has always had a multiplicity of meanings and resists the temptation to put it in a linguistic and legalistic box. Perhaps in this way, when someone is forcibly sexually assaulted, we can give the victim the treatment and justice she deserves instead of having discussions of semantics we should have left behind in our college dorm rooms.

I also think that if we make our language more specific, there will be fewer women who would be tempted to lie about it. The term "rape victim" has taken on an iconic meaning of its own. (In a cosmic sense, all women are rape victims; I get it.) Let's narrow our terms so the system can better serve everyone.

In PA they substituted "sexual assault" for "rape," becuase feminists complained that too many women on the jury asked, "You call that rape?" The jury is instructed that they don't understand the technicalities of the term "sexual assault."

Re: Time for a new word
by patron002
Yep, women are much more likely to say that a woman deserved what happened to her, and to let a man off the hook for rape than men are. Its basic sociology.
Re: Time for a new word
by Ian Blokesworth

"In PA they substituted "sexual assault" for "rape," "

Gender feminists have been pushing for a complete desexualization of the crime of rape to make it an assault where a man inserts the tool of the oppressive patriarchy. Any guy knows that rape is about sexual desire.

Re: Time for a new word
by Anywhere

In PA they substituted "sexual assault" for "rape,"

That's not accurate. "Sexual assault" is simply a broader term of which "rape" is a subset.

Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk
Anywhere:

In PA they substituted "sexual assault" for "rape,"

That's not accurate. "Sexual assault" is simply a broader term of which "rape" is a subset.

And the legal term used is "sexual assault"; and the jury is instructed that the term may cover more than just rape so they should convict the man even if they think he didn't actually rape the woman. Meanwhile, the newspapers headline "Local man charged with rape."

Re: Time for a new word
by Anywhere

And the legal term used is "sexual assault"; and the jury is instructed that the term may cover more than just rape so they should convict the man even if they think he didn't actually rape the woman.

That is incorrect. In Pennsylvania, there are seven offenses that are deemed sexual assault: rape, statutory sexual assault, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse, sexual assault*, institutional sexual assault, aggravated indecent assault, and indecent assault. They're all listed on the first page of that link.

*Note that "sexual assault" the legal term is not necessarily synonymous with the broader term in common usage.

Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk
Anywhere:

And the legal term used is "sexual assault"; and the jury is instructed that the term may cover more than just rape so they should convict the man even if they think he didn't actually rape the woman.

That is incorrect. In Pennsylvania, there are seven offenses that are deemed sexual assault: rape, statutory sexual assault, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse, sexual assault*, institutional sexual assault, aggravated indecent assault, and indecent assault. They're all listed on the first page of that link.

*Note that "sexual assault" the legal term is not necessarily synonymous with the broader term in common usage.

Newspapers don't use "common usage"?

I read one case in which the headline screamed about "rape," and the story at first reported that the man was guilty of "involuntary deviant sexual intercourse." If you continued to read the story, however, it mentioned that the judge mentioned from the bench that "she (the instigator) was a very mature young lady" and that she (the judge) could believe that he believed her (the instigator) when she lied about her age. The story also mentioned that the man wasn't guilty of "indedcent exposure," because that's a crime only if the female objects to the man exposing himself, and the whole thing was her idea.

Let's break down the charge that the newspapaer headlined as "rape": "involuntary"--she was below the age of consent, so it was involuntary even if she was the one who suggested sex and lied about her age to get it--"deviant sexual intercourse"--oral sex, not what you were thinking about.

50 years ago the charge would have been "statutory rape". But I doubt that the newspaper would have screamed about a man "rapeing an underage girl".

Re: Time for a new word
by Anywhere
Well, if you want to change the subject, I suppose that's fine, but we were discussing instructions to juries. . . Your claim was that there is no crime labeled "rape" in PA so juries can be instructed to find a man guilty even if he did not commit a rape because the juries are told that they just "don't understand [what] sexual assault" is. I have shown that you are incorrect; "rape" and "sexual assault" are labels for different-- but not necessarily exclusive-- crimes in PA.
Re: Time for a new word
by Anywhere
By the way, I also very much doubt that you read what you described you read in a newspaper since they tend to be very careful to refer to crimes by the broader term of "[alleged] sexual assault" Do you have a link to this story?
Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk

Anywhere:
By the way, I also very much doubt that you read what you described you read in a newspaper since they tend to be very careful to refer to crimes by the broader term of "[alleged] sexual assault" Do you have a link to this story?

That one was years ago, but here's a more recent one...

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Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk
Don Schenk:

Anywhere:
By the way, I also very much doubt that you read what you described you read in a newspaper since they tend to be very careful to refer to crimes by the broader term of "[alleged] sexual assault" Do you have a link to this story?

That one was years ago, but here's a more recent one...

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Anyway, it was an October 19 story about a (black) college football player who was accused of "sexual assault" by a girl who was drunk at the time; the headline read "rape".

Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk
Don Schenk:
Don Schenk:

Anywhere:
By the way, I also very much doubt that you read what you described you read in a newspaper since they tend to be very careful to refer to crimes by the broader term of "[alleged] sexual assault" Do you have a link to this story?

That one was years ago, but here's a more recent one...

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Anyway, it was an October 19 story about a (black) college football player who was accused of "sexual assault" by a girl who was drunk at the time; the headline read "rape".

If you type "rape" in the "search" feature. you can find the story.

Re: Time for a new word
by Anywhere
Are you referring to the 19 October 2007 story about Austin Scott, Similar Rape Claim Made at Moravian by Scott's Accuser? If so, could you be a little more disingenuous? Not only is the word "rape" in reference to a previous alleged rape (the alleged crime in that case was "rape" not "sexual assault"), but the tone of that headline and article discredit (rightfully, it turns out) the accuser with their, "Well, she's told this story before. . ." air.
Re: Time for a new word
by Don Schenk

Anywhere:
Are you referring to the 19 October 2007 story about Austin Scott, Similar Rape Claim Made at Moravian by Scott's Accuser? If so, could you be a little more disingenuous? Not only is the word "rape" in reference to a previous alleged rape (the alleged crime in that case was "rape" not "sexual assault"), but the tone of that headline and article discredit (rightfully, it turns out) the accuser with their, "Well, she's told this story before. . ." air.

If you read the story, you'll notice that the charge was indeed "sexual assault" (after the girl got drunk.) That's another example of how people read "rape" when the charge is "sexual assault".

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