I am a scientist and engineer and I draw my conclusions based on data.

The data suggests to me that Blacks are less intelligent and have an inferior culture, at least in regards to their ability to prosper in the USA,

I was a poor white kid, but the blacks in my racially mixed school had the same opportunities as me and yet the vast majority of them did not become educated. Blacks are generally slow and dismissive in service positions (waiters, bell hops) and they are laziest workers in any place I have worked (this is not true of the Jamaican Blacks I have known).

I travel the world on business and I make an effort to understand and respect people's cultures where ever I go the really appreciate it and for the most part I have them treating me with courtesy and eating out of my hand....in fact, I mirrored my self so well with American blacks that they named me "an honorary Black"

On the other hand I see Blacks who will dress or speak in a way that they know, unless they are really stupid, will be offensive to people. and they still expect a job. They have an exaggerated insecurity so they posture and offend people. 70% of Black children do not live with their natural fathers and many don't really know their fathers. What a pathetic race! What a pathetic culture.

MLK said he wanted people to be judged by their character. Well, to the extent that behavior is a reflection of character, American Blacks come up wanting.

You gonna meet your maker with that arguement?

Absolutely....there is no sin in having a belief system that I have honestly derived from data.

What would be sin is to prejudge an individual before I have had a chance to know and understand the person based on their character, values and behavior. I believe Blacks in general are less intelligent, but that does not mean there are not exceptions to the rule.

I am obligated as a Christian to (1) judge individuals based on who they are, not on some stereotype. (2) To love people and treat the individuals I come across the same to the best of my ability.

My racist beliefs are nothing I need to repent of as a Christian: What I must not do, is let those racist beliefs lead me to prejudicially and unfairly treat individuals .

There are some pretty crude white people too, but it seems to be in the culture, especially of inner city blacks that success is seen as a negative. I'm sure there are many people in the black community who are highly intelligent people, but because of their culture they choose to behave in manner that is acceptable to their culture. Hopefully, President Obama will help to change some of that around. It really is a waste!

It's actually refreshing to finally find a white dude who admits he's a racist and doesn't mind explaining why.

Mind you, I think your argument is bogus, but at least you've got the balls to admit the obvious. I'm really weary of rightwingers on the Fray who say a million bigoted things but refuse to go the next logical step and admit their racism.

What if the shoe was on the other foot?

What if your ancestors were enslaved by Negroes. You might have attitude- no?

Hell if it were me I would be an anarcharist. I woulld be pissed off.

That is what the racist does not get - history.

Ok, let's debate.....why are my views bogus?

Mind you, I am a very kind hearted person and I do not mistreat anyone (at least not intentionally). You would never guess my belief system if you met me because i do not let it affect how I would treat you as an individual.

I'll treat you based on who you are.

not_politically_correct:

The data suggests to me that Blacks are less intelligent and have an inferior culture, at least in regards to their ability to prosper in the USA,

Then cite the data. What have you got? The Bell Curve? Or might you misinterpret a pop author like Jared Diamond?

not_politically_correct:

MLK said he wanted people to be judged by their character. Well, to the extent that behavior is a reflection of character, American Blacks come up wanting.

Here are two quotes from Dr. King:
-"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character," and
-"...a dream of a land where men will not argue that the color of a man's skin determines the content of his character,"

... and then you go and use Dr. King's words to argue that an entire class of people, grouped togeather by their skin colour, are wanting. Brilliant.

not_politically_correct:

I am a scientist and engineer and I draw my conclusions based on data.

Not that it matters, but I call bs on this.

Actually ctcadguy, I was really abused by Blacks when I was in grade school...simply because I was white....so yeah, I do have that experience just in a different way.

I was basically a nerdy white kid who did not know how to fight and for some reason I was an entertaining target. Well, after the second hundred beating or so, I decided it was enough and I started studying martial arts and I have done so for almost 4 decades now. Now, I studied martial arts to learn how to fight, disable, break bones , etc…and not as a sport.

Two Black students in the school jumped me after I had been studying for about a year and I basically left them in a bloody mess: took about 5 seconds. After that Blacks kids who used to pick on me would actually walk on the other side of the street to avoid coming across my path.

Yep: I have experienced your racism and bigotry and I am tired of your whining…it goes both ways: have experienced it too. I will actually openly confront Blacks in where I believe they are behaving in a racist manner…and yes, I guess I am angry about it.. In particular I am angry because society does not seem to accept that I as a white man could have suffered racist abuse.

Pity the racist Black fool who tries me as a target now…in my mid 50’s I could still tear you a new asshole faster than you can cry “mama” and I don’t mind doing it should you require me to “defend” myself.

Some years back I was taking an engineering class at a University and a bunch of Blacks were blocking my entrance to the student Union protesting “not enough Black courses.” I told them that was their issues and I did not give a shit about Black course and they had better get out of my way (they probably thought I was crazy…a short white guy talking to them in that aggressive a manner) …..they opened a path for me and I went about my business.

I think people merge the difference between race aka skin color and culture. In fact I would say that the majority of raceism in the country is based against one's culture more than skin tone. Amongst people considered black there are a multitude of different cultures that exist amongs populations. If you took a black American and threw him in the Kun Bushmen tribe of the Khalahari he would be just as alien as that of a white man thrown in the ghetto, if not worse. For instance alot of black immigrants don't agree with the culture of black americans b/c there certain aspects and beliefs of the culture they are not willing to adopt. So often times certain black americans will say to these individuals that they are not black. Which means that they aren't worthy of the skin color they have. Alot of black people do black things to fit in with the cultural group. But all humans do this.

As a biologist though I find you scientific stance to be lacking an inadequate amount of data. As far as intelligence of a people group goes i think there the same like everybody else on the planet. I will say though that the black american culture dosn't necessarilly put higher education as a top priority. This might be b/c of historically lesser education opportunities and poverty but regardless of the reason you don't see today's culture truly urging blacks to achieve a higher education status. Perhaps the older generations see things differently but I don't think the current generation upholds such beliefs.

How odd that someone who claims to make his conclusions based on data is also a Christian, a belief system for which there is no data beyond blind faith.

How many different threads are you going to post what a badass beater-up of black people you are in tough guy? Nobody cares.