Liberals who have demeaned the FOX news network need to examine their concience. Jounalism has disappeared from the mainstream. The "state run" media as it is now called are there to protect the Administration.

We are America. The politicians are our servants. We determine who gets to run the government and when we find they have deceived us we must change the leadership or they will think that we are sheeple. Independents and Republicans who supported Obama and the Dems are ready to punish the corrupt and those who have deceived us. Politicians who still support ACORN funding are suspect. Let them answer to us.

We now have a President who makes enemies of our friends and friends of our enemies, who breaks every campaign promise, who calls a porkulus a stimulus, who reverses himself every month or so and lies and does not apologize. We cannot do anything about this man now, but we can send a message in 2010 that we are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

Yes, you have a right to vote, so go ahead and do so.

I agree that ACORN was corrupt and mismanged and it was good to see the majority of members in the House agree that funding should be cut off, BUT, House members are elected in districts and the members that did NOT vote to cut of funding are in liberal districts therefore the people in THOSE districts were represented. Since you and other Cons like you do NOT vote in THOSE districts you have ZERO power to send any message. ZERO.

So your mad as hell is just childish crap. ALL you can do is vote ONCE in YOUR district.

I'm an independent and I'm also fed up with government but I'm just as fed up with the GOP and Dems. The GOP had power fromn 2000 - 2006 and REALLY messed up the country. The needless invasion of Iraq, the increased spending and the increased debt, as well as doing next to nothing on illegal immigration are something ALL members of the GOP should be ashamed for. Sadly Obama continues these GOP started failed policies.

So be made as hell, but my guess is the GOP will pick up SOME seats in the House and Senate in 2010 but NOT enough. i.e. Dems will still be the majority party. Also the GOP doesn't have any real leaders in OFFICE.

All the so called leaders of the GOP are morons or assholes like Rush, Hanity, Beck, Palin, and even Newt has gone off the deep end. NONE of these guys are in office so even if you LOVE them you cannot VOTE for them.

Blah, blah, blah...thank god that Fox News was there to save us all. End of sarcasm.

So, what exactly do these videotapes prove? That there are a few bad seeds in an organization? Anyone who doesn't believe that there are a few bad seeds in most organizations is a little naive or a liar.

Speaking of liars, the makers of the videotapes have already proven themselves to be in that category by claiming that every ACORN office they went into was willing to help them with their questionable activities. They completely ignored one office (Philly, I think) which actually had the police called in to talk to them. Of course, the filmmakers fled before the police could get there. There's really no telling how many offices they went into that did not agree to help them in any way...don't bother asking them though, their credibility is already shot.

I'm really tired of hearing about how every news outlet except Fox is the "state run" media. The only reason Fox isn't "state run" is because Republicans are out of power. Here's my real problem with Fox News though...they started out claiming to be "fair and balanced" when in fact they are probably the most biased news outlet in the history of news outlets. You cannot pretend to be the only truthful news source when you're clearly pushing an agenda.

I am disappointed in the GOP and outraged at the Dems. Obama stood for change....bi partisan, no more lobbyist control, bringing Americans together. Anyonw who believes that in our present state of culture that any of this will happen with anyone we elected is a moron.

I have always measured what is good for me and my family and I am sure so have those who vote the opposite. After that I look at what is best for America. I cannot see how the Dems socialist agenda will benefit America except for people who derive their income from taxpayers.

The Dems are smart enough to know that they must continue to build dependency on the Gov and on taxes (redistributed is their strategy to gain the independents and middle class).

THE DEM STRATEGY HAS NEVER WORKED UNLESS YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH MEDIOCRACY. If America wants to copy mediocre nations who depend on us for ultimate protection (they would not have the bucks for their socialist agenda otherwise) then we are no longer a unique place with the best opportunities.

btw--What on earth should we do with our military? Keep them here or deploy to the most unstable areas in the world to keep the radicals at bay. Your views about the wars are disturbing. By having troops in Europe, Korea, and Germany and Japan we protected the USA. By having troops in the ME we are protecting the USA. Why have a military which never does what they are trained to do?

"ALL you can do is vote ONCE in YOUR district".

but if you talk to the right people at ACORN, you can vote in multiple districts, using multiple names, and they are fighting every day to be sure your ID is never checked!

Your credibility is zero.

Bertha Lewis lied, lied some more, continued to lie. So the bottom is corrupt, the top is corrupt, and the middle is corrupt.

And "useful idiots" continue to defend them.

Right_By_Choice:

"ALL you can do is vote ONCE in YOUR district".

but if you talk to the right people at ACORN, you can vote in multiple districts, using multiple names, and they are fighting every day to be sure your ID is never checked!

And you base this claim on?

so what exactly do these tapes prove? what laws were broken? sorry I'm not really familiar with the case. All i hear is that they were counseling prostitutes on how to file their taxes. Is that illegal? Or were they counseling to break the tax code?

And what exactly did the UCLA study find? It compared the media to the "average congressional opinion" on the same subject. At a time when Congress was overrun in a misrepresentational proportion by ultra-conservative right wingers. And it further normalized this against the average floor speech - since in the House the majority party gets to set the rules for debate, this FURTHER distorts the amount of centrist Dem viewpoints being normalized against.

So ALL the 2005 UCLA study finds is that the Media is to the left of right wing.

Well if the media were simply centrist, you would get EXACTLY THAT result.

Learn to THINK

Fox exposed nothing. Their "undercover" operation was so silly as to come across as a joke. It was as credible as the Dateline "investigation" of exploding pickup trucks that required a lit flare to cause the explosion.

What would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic is how distracted from facts folks like you get by silly stories about ACORN.

Clearly if an organization helps the poor it must be corrupt.

Clearly if an organization receives SOME government funds, it must be corrupt.

HINT ...2% of ACORN's budget comes from the Fed.

We now have a President who makes enemies of our friends and friends of our enemies

You mean like alienating the French and Germans and "seeing the soul" of a KGB President?

Get a grip. What "friends" has Obama turned into enemies? Name one.

Check out the internet in Poland if you don't believe me.

btw- Zarkosy in France thinks Obama is a lightweight and the German leader has no use for him.

If you thought that Bush lost us credability you are wrong. Our allies disagreed but they respected Bush as a leader who was willing to act alone if necessary to protect. Quadafy rolled over and after Bush left he arranged to release a murder of 180 Americans and gave him a hero's welcome. How did you feel about Obama after that humiliation.

WE HAVE NOT HAD ONE ATTACK OF ANY KIND SINCE BUSH STARTED KICK ASS DIPLOMACY. Under Clinton they attacked us every two years somewhere where they killied innocent Americans (WTC, Embassy, Towers, Cole and training programs for Atta and his group under Clinton'w watch which resulted in 9/11).

Obama needs to grow a pair. He needs to man up.

degsme:

And what exactly did the UCLA study find? It compared the media to the "average congressional opinion" on the same subject. At a time when Congress was overrun in a misrepresentational proportion by ultra-conservative right wingers. And it further normalized this against the average floor speech - since in the House the majority party gets to set the rules for debate, this FURTHER distorts the amount of centrist Dem viewpoints being normalized against.

So ALL the 2005 UCLA study finds is that the Media is to the left of right wing.

Well if the media were simply centrist, you would get EXACTLY THAT result.

Learn to THINK

Degs that study is too flawed to be useful -- for one thing, the idea that Congress is further right than the voters is just silly. The voters ELECTED the Congress and it reflects their views. It can't be "misrepresentational" as that would invalidate its existence and the very nature of representative democracy.

The media was to the left of the Congress, and Congress represented the voters -- the media was to the left of the voters.

The Associated Press, as you well know, polled its member editors and found that 95 percent of them were Democrats, and 5 percent were "left wing" Democrats. There can be no lack of bias when this is the case, because the newsrooms universally suffer from spectrum bias, they look at the spectrum of the people they know, find they are in the center of it, and feel that is the center -- when they don't know anyone from elsewere on the spectrum (I'm aware that you know about this phenomena, as we have discussed it before).

Having worked in and with the media for nearly two decades now, and having been the one "right winger" in more than one newsroom, I can categorically state both from the statistics and my personal experiences that the bias in favor of the Dems and the left exists.

Perhaps your opponent up the thread cannot think, and needs to learn to do so. I CAN think, however, and observe -- and report what I've observed.

Degs that study is too flawed to be useful -- for one thing, the idea that Congress is further right than the voters is just silly.

Actually its not. For a whole lot of reasons

• Demographic distributions - At that time, something like 55 Senators represented 40% of the population, and they turned out to be ALL conservative GOP senators. Means that 60% of the population was represented by 45% of the Senate. The effects in The House were even more differentiated. This is the problem with "winner take all" elections
• The effect of "stay at home" campaigns. The GOP has invariably done best when the electoral turnout is the lowest. IE the most folks are disgusted by the politics of the campaign. Hence crap like SwiftBoating etc. Our turnouts have some 40% of the electorate just not voting. They STILL have opinions that the Media caters to, they just don't vote. Since GOP actively tries to reduce OVERALL turnout, this is a real effect.
• Ratfucking. The only folks who actually have been CONVICTED of dirty campaign tricks - be it flooding phone systems or B&E, are GOP operatives.
• Senate elections are "phased 6 year terms" - so it is quite possible for one or another party to have a majority in the Senate based on issues that are 4 years out of date.

Its quite possible for the Congress to be completely misrepresentative of the general beliefs of the electorate. And that's what has been largely true for the last 15 years.

The Associated Press, as you well know, polled its member editors and found that 95 percent of them were Democrats,

That presumes an atty cannot defend someone they think is guilty, or that a surgeon cannot operate on someone whom they don't respect or that a soldier cannot comply with an order they disagree with.

sorry, that doesn't wash. What matters is CONTENT BIAS. and NO CREDIBLE STUDY has demonstrated LIBERAL CONTENT BIAS.

Most Poles didn't want the SDI system.

Sarkozy appreciates Obama and snubbed GWB

Merkel couldn't stand GWB and supports Obama's iniatives

Bush lost the USA massive amounts of credibility. There was no respect for GWB, Qadafi rolled over to get a deal with the UK, not GWB and no, the Lockerby bomber did NOT get a "hero's welcome" - there was no official state media, representatives or even local officials.

Sorry, your facts are wrong.

And as for GWB's success in "kicking ass" his own NIE said that he had made the world MORE DANGEROUS for americans and INCREASED the risk of domestic terrorism.

You need some facts, not Fox News silliness.

Note that there are many socialist programs in the USA; FDIC, Medicare, Social Security, Insurance oversight boards, Bank regulation, SEC, to name but a few. Are you saying all of these programs should be done away with? The bottom line is most American favor these programs. So I guess you feel mort Americans are socialist! ha ha ha. Realy that is such an overused term by the GOP and Cons to create fear. Why not just mention the specific areas where a socialist program or policy should be or should NOT be used.

What on earth should we do with our military? CUT IT BACK. Note that our troops were INVITED to Europe , Korea, etc... we did NOT invade these countries (well expect as part of a war where WE were attacked).

Now I don't fault anyone for believing AT THE TIME, that there MIGHT of been a logical reason to invade Iraq, but anyone that STILL feels so after what we now know (no WMDs, no real threat, etc...), well I just cannot respect that opinion.

The Afgan invasion to take out the Taliban was reasonable but since the window has closed. We should just monitor the country and do quick surgical strikes as required instead of trying to police the entire country. What do you recommend 100K more troops?

How many other nations do you feel we should be at war with at this time? Really, how many others. I'm sure you feel we should kick the shit out of Iran and North Korea. Hey, how not take out Chavez and start a war there. Really how many wars should the 'moral' USA be fighting? How many nations should we invade?

Instead I say we stop supporting Israel and pull back. Nations that we believe don't act like we feel they should we should stop trading with. Like Saudi Arabia, since they treat women as second class citizens. Oh, but wait, we need their oil! Yea, we act based on what is the right thing to do. Yea, right.