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No good deed goes unpunished
by watt4bob
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It turns out that the ACORN employee in the famous video actually notified the police about the conversation.

Of course you can't let those kind of details get in the way of a good story.

From AP;

"NATIONAL CITY, Calif. — Police say a worker with the activist group ACORN who was caught on video giving advice about human smuggling to a couple posing as a pimp and a prostitute had reported the incident to authorities.

National City police said Monday that Juan Carlos Vera contacted his cousin, a police detective, to get advice on what to with information on possible human smuggling.

Vera was secretly filmed on Aug. 18 as part of a young couple's high-profile expose.

Police say he contacted law enforcement two days later. The detective consulted another police official who served on a federal human smuggling task force, who said he needed more details.

The ACORN employee responded several days later and explained that the information he received was not true and he had been duped.

Vera was fired on Thursday."

Fire, Ready, Aim. It's how hissy fits succeed:
by tartuffe

1. Seize on something isolated, trivial, misrepresented, or out of context (and irrelevant to actual cause of enmity) that "looks bad" to inflict maximal damage on perceived threat/enemy.

2. When actual investigation reveals the mitigating/exonerating facts . . . too late!

Yep, disgusting.

But it's how they roll.

Re: No good deed goes unpunished
by LaurieAnnM

Now that makes ACORN's Practices disturbing again. Why on earth would they fire someone like Vera, who wanted to do the right thing and notify the police about the crime of human smuggling?

Hmmmm.....ACORN must have figured the honest,Mr. Vera wasn't a team player perhaps like the others who willingly looked to circumvent the law and aid and abet using minor girls as prostitutes.

This incident and the fact that ACORN fired a good man,now, makes the higher ups, in ACORN, look worse ,not better...due to the fact that they fired him for going to the police.

More Likely
by DallasNE
ACORN sacrificed Vera to head off Congressional action but it didn't work. Also, the people that did this sting have a history of altering their video. While this has not been proven yet the history makes much of this look unreliable in important ways. Lastly, they are being investigated by Baltimore authorities for possible criminal conduct. This story is still unfolding.
"they" = O'Keefe & Giles (the video "journalists")?
by tartuffe

re: ". . . they are being investigated by Baltimore authorities for possible criminal conduct."

P.S. Got link (re: Balt. authorities' crim. investig'n)? eom
by tartuffe

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Re: More Likely
by LaurieAnnM

Kind of like when Jeffrey Toobin from The New Yorker magazine got a scoop from The OJ Dream Team that they wanted him to use him to plant the story, in The New Yorker (which he did) ,that Mark Furman was racist cop. For the sole purpose of getting OJ off on the double murder.

He was found guilty of in The Civil Trial. ( for killing his wife and her friend,Ron Goldman.)

Yes, this sort of strategy( smear the accusers) has been played before.

I don't think it will work , this time.

The public is too outraged at the voter fraud , in 27 states and now this.

This is about fraud and the bilking and criminal mis-use of tax payer money.

It matters.

<geez, I should know better, but> 1. "Furman WAS [lying]
by tartuffe

racist cop." Thoroughly demonstrated at trial. Getting caught (via recording) in the lie that he never used "nigger" was probably the single biggest factor in getting OJ off because it gave jurors justification for believing the "racist cops" element of the defense.

2. re: "The public is too outraged at the voter fraud , in 27 states...". Document even a single case. (Note: this is actually possible, though I feel fairly confident in predicting you can't, anyway, cuz you haven't a clue what you're talking about.)

(Free, friendly reminder: you should know from your own and others' past experience that disputing factual matters with me is a fool's errand, but feel free to further expose yourself as a fool.)

Furman Was A Racist Cop
by DallasNE

An audio tape at the trial was conclusive.

O'Keiffe's activity is being actively looked at according to the AP and Fox News in Baltimore. I don't make this stuff up. Most of the "voter fraud" was ACORN reporting their own people padding the rolls with "Mickey Mouse", etc. to bilk ACORN. Those lists showing Mickey Mouse were never turned in. That is called attempted fraud but against ACORD, not by ACORD. I am not aware of a single vote that was cast (voter fraud) by someone on these lists. There has been very little smoke here. Really. This is mostly a tempest in a teapot. Now it is a legitimate question on whether tax payer money should be used to target poor neighboorhoods where registration has been traditionally very low. The same could be said about ethanol subsidies too, though, and we are talking about a lot more money there.

Re: <geez, I should know better, but> 1. "Furman WAS [lying]
by LaurieAnnM

rotfl laughing(last line) Priceless.

No offense but the day you get more than a blink's worth of time or credibility from anyone (even the most idiotic of those in brainwashed bot world) will be a day for history books, tar.

Are you for fucking real?

rotflmao.

Re: Furman Was A Racist Cop
by LaurieAnnM
By JOHN FUND

Democrats are split on how to deal with Acorn, the liberal "community organizing" group that deployed thousands of get-out-the-vote workers last election. State and city Democratic officials -- who've been contending with its many scandals -- are moving against it. Washington Democrats are still sweeping Acorn abuses under a rug.

On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election.

Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson calls the Nevada criminal complaint "political grandstanding" and says that any problems were the actions of an unnamed "bad employee." But Catherine Cortez Masto, Nevada's Democratic Attorney General, told the Las Vegas Sun that Acorn itself is named in the criminal complaint. She says that Acorn's training manuals "clearly detail, condone and . . . require illegal acts," such as requiring its workers to meet strict voter-registration targets to keep their jobs.

Other Democrats on the ground have complaints. Fred Voight, deputy election commissioner in Philadelphia, protested after Acorn (according to the registrar of voters and his own investigation) submitted at least 1,500 fraudulent registrations last fall. "This has been going on for a number of years," he told CNN in October. St. Louis Democrat Matthew Potter, the city's deputy elections director, had similar complaints.

Elsewhere, Washington state prosecutors fined Acorn $25,000 after several employees were convicted of voter registration fraud in 2007.

The group signed a consent decree with King County (Seattle), requiring it to beef up its oversight or face criminal prosecution. In the 2008 election, Acorn's practices led to investigations, some ongoing, in 14 other states.

The stink is bad enough that some congressional Democrats have taken notice. At a March 19 hearing on election problems, Michigan Rep. John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, pressed New York Rep. Gerald Nadler, chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, to hold a hearing on Acorn. He called the charges against it "serious." Mr. Nadler agreed to consider the request.

Mr. Nadler's office now says there will be no hearing on Acorn because Mr. Conyers has changed his mind. Mr. Conyers's office released a statement on Monday saying that after reviewing "the complaints against Acorn, I have concluded that a hearing on this matter appears unwarranted at this time." A Democratic staffer told me he believes the House leadership put pressure on Mr. Conyers to back down. Mr. Conyers's office says it is "unaware" of any contacts with House leaders.

Then there's Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. Last month, he voted for a committee amendment (to the Mortgage Reform and Anti-Predatory Lending Act) by Rep. Michelle Bachmann (R., Minn.) to block groups indicted for voter fraud from receiving federal housing or legal assistance grants. Identical language was passed into law in the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008. Mr. Frank now says he "had not read [the amendment] carefully" before backing it. He gutted the amendment on Thursday, claiming that the language Congress passed just last year is "a violation of the basic principles of due process."

A lot of money is at stake. In the stimulus bill passed by Congress, Acorn is eligible -- along with other activist groups -- to apply for $2 billion in funds to redevelop abandoned and foreclosed homes. Meanwhile, public records show that last spring the IRS filed three tax liens totaling almost $1 million against Acorn, most of which concerned employee withholding.

All of this infuriates Marcel Reid, who, along with seven other national Acorn board members, was removed last year after demanding an audit of the group's books. "Acorn has been hijacked by a power-hungry clique that has its own political and personal agendas," she told me. "We are fighting to take back the group."

Bertha Lewis, the head of Acorn, told me last year before their ouster that the "Acorn Eight" were "obsessed" and "confused." But Anita MonCrief, an Acorn whistleblower, says the problems run deep. Ms. MonCrief worked at Project Vote, an Acorn affiliate, in late 2007. She says its development director, Karen Gillette, told her she had direct contact with the Obama campaign and also told her to call Obama donors who had maxed out on donations to the candidate but who could contribute to Acorn. Project Vote calls her charges "absolutely false." (Ms. Gillette has declined comment.)

Acorn's relationship to the Obama campaign is a matter of public record. Last year, Citizens Consulting Inc., the umbrella group controlling Acorn, was paid $832,000 by the Obama campaign for get-out-the-vote efforts in key primary states. In filings with the Federal Election Commission, the campaign listed the payments as "staging, sound, lighting," only correcting them after reporters from the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review revealed their true nature.

Mr. Obama distanced himself from the group's scandals last year, saying "We don't need Acorn's help." Nevertheless, he got his start as a community organizer at Acorn's side. In 1992, he headed a registration effort for Project Vote, an Acorn partner at the time. In 1995, he represented Acorn in a key case upholding the new Motor Voter Act -- the very law whose mandated postcard registration system Acorn workers use to flood election offices with bogus registrations.

But Acorn's registration tricks may soon be unnecessary. Congressional Democrats are backing a bill to mandate a nationwide data base to automatically register driver's license holders or recipients of government benefits.

This "would create an engraved invitation for voter fraud," says Hans von Spakovsky, a former Federal Election Commission member, who points out that these lists are filled with felons and noncitizens who are ineligible to vote. Ironically, in light of its troubles with the law, Acorn was selected in March to assist the U.S. Census in reaching out to minority communities and recruiting census enumerators for the count next year.

As for the Nevada indictment, Acorn isn't worried. "We've had bad publicity before, and all it does is inform the community that we're here working for the community," Bonnie Greathouse, Acorn's head organizer in Nevada, assured the Las Vegas Review-Journal this week. "People always come forward to our defense. We're just community organizers, just like the president used to be."

Mr. Fund is a columnist for WSJ.com .

Re: No good deed goes unpunished
by reJoinder

Interesting...so he was running his own personal sting by stringing along the supposed lawbreakers, but was fired for his pains?

If only he'd reported it right away and gotten more details. We might have seen the right wing entrappers become the entrapped.

Apparently many people have been duped by this, no?

Re: No good deed goes unpunished
by reJoinder

That's a bizarre interpretation. ACORN is attacked for permitting this to happen, Vera is condemned for apparently playing along, the right demands his firing and calls ACORN corrupt, he's fired, and now that this all revealed for what it was, ACORN is being condemned for firing him?

Tell me - is there any way that ACORN could win? Doesn't your comment in fact show that anything they do will be atatacked by the right?

Quoting John Fund
by DallasNE
Is almost like quoting Glenn Beck. Barney Frank is right, by the way, because Buchanan's bill specifies "indicted" rather than "convicted". That is McCarthyism all over. By the way, I am all for a legitimate investigation of ACORN. Let the chips fall where they may. What I am not for is jumping to conclusions based on gossip. That is basically what John Fund is doing here.
Re: Quoting John Fund
by LaurieAnnM

It's not McCarthyism. McCarthyism is what your side does today, DallasNE... ie..smear people's reputations.

You try to attack the messenger (these college kids) for your own political agenda and for the purpose of attempting to hold your side unaccountable.

Smearing of the messenger (these two college kids) is what you are trying to do, while ignoring the criminal activity and complicity of ACORN. The criminal activity is right there on those tapes.

It is s about legal and illegal activity. Not anything else.

Remember, I was just as outraged at what happened in Florida during election 2000 with Bush.

It's about right vs. wrong election practices and illegal use of tax payer funds.

~LAM

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