blacks make up about 20% of our population but about 40% of the crime..Why is that? Is there some genetic predisposition to crime for blacks?

there is no crime gene that is specific to blacks. you know that. you also know that the economic and demographic environments of blacks differs drastically from whites. so your conclusions are rather stupid don't you think? why are white people of your ilk so stupid? is there a genetic predisosition for stupidity in people of your ilk.

Riiiiight.

And as we all know, every town/city has its "bad section", the places that people avoid and are warned to avoid, correct? Just so happens these also tend to be the areas where the blacks who, at some point, moved into these cities/towns, settled, is that it?

It is the "bad areas", the "bad neighborhoods" that people avoid, not really the people, is that your contention?

You and I both know that if you could just magicly swap all the people from a "bad neighborhood" and all the people in some lovely lawned suburb, it is only a matter of time before others figure out where they can go without fear of being attacked. Only a matter of time before the people in the old "bad neighborhood" maybe sweep up, paint a building, plant a flower, pull up weeds, just make it a bit nicer. Just as it is only a matter of time before the lovely lawned houses that were so nice begin to go down hill and begin to fell a little wilder.

We have all witnessed it, it isn't like I am making this up. Many a post WWII sub-division in many a community is an area avoided by most of the people of said community today, why is that?

No neighborhood frightens people, people frighten people, its just not politically correct to speak of people so we now have "bad neighborhoods". Feels better but changes nothing.

But I agree, there is no crime gene that is specific to blacks, so what does cause this bizarre shit?

gee, there are many more poor whites than blacks, yet, blacks apparently, are consistently putting themselves in positions to be arrested..by numbers far higher than the majority of poor whites..why is that? And is it your fault?

you put a new suit on a pig, and all you get is a pig in a new suit....

A misunderstanding.

It most assuredly is NOT my fault. While I agree there is no "crime" gene unique to blacks, there does indeed seem to be something that makes this obvious difference so apparent. I did not make it where most places have areas most people avoid and I surely did not make these areas tend to be largely black and minority areas, but they are, so why is that? Why is it many a middle-class sub division of the 50s and 60s are now so depressing and run down, wasn't me.

I want people to state that they fear people, not areas, not neighborhoods. Buildings, streets and sidwalks have never taken anything from anyone. The people in and on them have. Say it.

Logic-101:

blacks make up about 20% of our population but about 40% of the crime..Why is that? Is there some genetic predisposition to crime for blacks?

Dumbest. Post. Ever. and easily refutable:

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Blacks make up about 13% of the population not 20% dumbass.

And 40% of crime? What crime? Drinking and driving? Sexual assault? Arson? Pedophilia? (all crime categories lead by whites)

And while we're trying to demonize groups let's put men out to pasture. Men make up over 80% of the jail population, so what's up with that? Men commit the vast majority of rapes, robberies, and murders. Is there some crime gene in men? Should we just round up all the men and put them in gas chambers?

UPNYA2:

A misunderstanding.

It most assuredly is NOT my fault. While I agree there is no "crime" gene unique to blacks, there does indeed seem to be something that makes this obvious difference so apparent. I did not make it where most places have areas most people avoid and I surely did not make these areas tend to be largely black and minority areas, but they are, so why is that? Why is it many a middle-class sub division of the 50s and 60s are now so depressing and run down, wasn't me.

I want people to state that they fear people, not areas, not neighborhoods. Buildings, streets and sidwalks have never taken anything from anyone. The people in and on them have. Say it.

Fair enough. It is hard to talk about these issues without sounding either like a radical (left or right). Most people, I think, agree that black neighborhoods (or as you want to say, "Black people in black neighborhoods") are not as safe overall; the causes are what people disagree about. What do you think? is it long-standing poverty, lack of opportunities or simply a disrespect for other people's well being and property? if so, why? - is it racial hatred? I don't know the answer; I suspect most people don't either, though they may have ideas that they are afraid to express for fear of sounding either racist (in lib circles) or too liberal (in con circles).

Lastly, is this situation unique to American Blacks? if so, then history is the cause. If not, then what? that people of African descent are still largely poor and powerless? - again, is this due to history? probably - I don't know, as I have acknowledged before. But I wonder - do you think there is a problem? then, is there a solution?

Like you, I try to not yap about a problem a lot without offering up some proposed solution and this is one of those cases where I have no ideas.

What I do know is, for whatever reason(s), almost anywhere on this earth where there are black people they struggle to be among the elite or norm and it is ALWAYS blamed on the oppression of others.

There is no country, city town or neighborhood where blacks were not in control at one point and then were, where things are better than they were before. What of the cities that had no black neighborhoods to amount to anything in the past but saw them grow in the past century or so? Why is it every city now has some bad areas and, as fate would have it, many or most of these are largely black?

I don't know. I don't believe in sone criminal gene but for some reason this does exist.

Its hard to accept it is because of poverty, many peoples have suffered similar situations throughout time and show no similar trends.

For example, despite being murdered by the Czars at the time of, “Fiddler on the Roof;” despite being nearly eradicated by Stalin; and despite laws targeting Jews, restricting them from universities and Government jobs; when the Soviet Union fell seven of the eight wealthiest capitalist oligarchies in Russia are today Jewish.

So you see, I have no fear of being labeled a racist, on here I get that if I dare disagree with a minority who states the sun rises in the west, means nothing to me. But, I do avoid posting lots of things that I feel are wrong or bad if I have no idea how they should be addressed.

and now know how whites work these statistics

they include innocent black people booked and arrested for no reason at all

Thats it.

Blacks really do NOT actually commit more crimes percentage wise, it is just made to appear so by white folks arresting innocent blacks and counting them.

Glad we finally got to the bottom of this long standing problem...........

Tubbs, give up, you simply cannot explain away the crime stats..and your straw man, argument...is just a pathetic dodge...Your weakness sickens me...

Logic-101:

Tubbs, give up, you simply cannot explain away the crime stats..and your straw man, argument...is just a pathetic dodge...Your weakness sickens me...

PWAHAHAHA!!! Silly racist.

What's to explain? You don't want to apply your same idiotic reasoning to a group that you don't have contempt for (men, likely because of your sexual orientation).

Black people make up 13% of the population (I notice you don't want to talk about the fact that you lied about this in your original post).

Blacks commit some crimes disproportionately, as do whites (drunk driving, serial murder, pedophilia, arson, white collar crime). As do men (80% of inmates). And yet, you appear to be unwilling to apply your racist "logic" to whites or men.

I wonder why? Hmmm . . . .?

Another day, another racist with a GED and poor reasoning skills shot down.

UPNYA2:

Thats it.

Blacks really do NOT actually commit more crimes percentage wise, it is just made to appear so by white folks arresting innocent blacks and counting them.

Glad we finally got to the bottom of this long standing problem...........

Blacks are a small part of the population. While Blacks do indeed commit SOME crimes disproportionately, the chances of actually having such crime visited upon you is slim because Blacks are indeed a minority. If you don't want to be a victim of Black crime, you can cut your chances of this occurring to almost zero if you avoid high crime, impoverished areas.

Outside of impoverished areas, your chances of being a victim of Black crime are in the same ballpark as your chances of running into a Native American outside a reservation, ie pretty slim.

Crimes committed primarily by white people on the other hand tend to affect more people because whites are a much larger part of the population.

For example, White collar crime (Enron), Environmental crime (Exxon-Valdez), Tainted foods and drugs, fraud (Madoff), are all committed almost exclusively by white people. And that says nothing about unjustified military excursions and the casualties of those acts.

So, if you want to start asking questions about race and crime, why not start with yourself?

Intelligence Analysis of White Collar Crime

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THE TYPICAL PROFILE

The typical white collar criminal is a white, middle class, educated male around 29 years of age (70% of the time) with no previous criminal history and no involvement in drug or alcohol abuse (Miethe & McCorkle 1998). Their offenses are characterized by sophisticated planning, and they have carefully considered lessons learned from the extensive histories most corporations have of regulatory violations. Most offenders prefer to work alone, except where the cooperation of others is needed. Almost all criminological theories (strain, learning, control, conflict, and neutralization) have been applied to white collar crime. The economic costs of white collar crime are staggering, running well into several billions a year. Perhaps more importantly, economic crime erodes public confidence.

The most common breeding ground, as Vaughan (1985) points out, is the "free-wheeling, self-regulatory" work environment where the lines are blurred between acceptable and unacceptable business practices in the pursuit of profit. High levels of both internal and external competition as well as certain kinds of office politics will also create a breeding ground for white collar crime. As far as profiles go, the best research on the subject has been by Weisburd et. al. (2001) who studied 968 offenders over a 3 year period. It may be worth quoting from them, as follows:

Most offenders are disproportionately white, middle-aged men who possess high levels of social capital, good income, and higher education (75% of the time). Most are married homeowners who occupy supervisory positions in their organizations. They do not usually have squeaky clean pasts, as about a third of the sample had at least one police arrest in their records, but they tended to stay away from violent crimes, and drifted in and out of property or public order crimes. Compared to ordinary criminals, white collar criminals begin and end their careers later, and include smaller numbers of recorded criminal events. However, they are similar to ordinary criminals in that they are unlikely to evidence a high degree of specialization and seem to age out of crime. <link>