I don't understand why we Americans feel so strongly and so often that we need to tell Israel what she should do when and how, from the relative safety of our nation. To some Israelis, it must be the height of hypocrisy and indiscretion, that we insist on providing our so-called road maps towards true peace in the Middle East. Every one of which has been an abysmal failure since the infamous peace talks in Oslo.

How is it that we think we should tell Israelis where they can build homes for their own citizenry fully within their national borders by the way, and claim to tiny Israel that we are right and their own duly & democratically elected Prime Minister, is oh so wrong?

How dare we.

How did our former Sec State dare tell the Israelis that there should be democratic elections in Gaza, the result of which not unpredictably the insertion of Hamas as the head of a significant portion of what our country still maintains needs to be a fully accredited sovereign Palestinian State. In my humble and certain opinion, a sovereign Palistinian State is the death knell of the Jewish Homeland, the historic State of Israel.

A Palistinian State, that were it allowed to come into existence, would no doubt be dedicated at it's core by it's most passionate and ardent believers, to the destruction of the entire State of Israel and the end of Zionism. A State of Palestine upon which would shine the full blown happy smiles of the likes of the Israel must die dictator of Iran, he newly in power through a military coup, the end of which has not yet been determined.

Although it should be noted that our President maintains that either candidate was pretty much the same. Complete hogwash, umitigated childish lying bunk. This President who maintained that he wished to talk directly to Iran pre-election, and now is silently as the genocidal dictator plots his next move against the vast and forced to be silent majority taken to the streets.

Obama and America, should never be considered the proper policy makers for the sovereign State of Israel. If you are an American Jew who believes that they should, then you have lived in the Diaspora far too long.

Did they not get relocated to the middle east after world war II, by the Allies?, did they not take the land from the Palistinians to create their own state?. How is it that they lay claim to this land and why would they have the rights of a recognized state status and yet deny the existence of a Palistinian State?

These Jews are claiming ownership of land that they claim belonged to their ancestors and they want it back, well sorry about that folks, you cant come back and lay claim to something that was lost in battle 2000 years ago, if you could then we would have countless groups trying to take back property that their ancestors lost, hell I am american indian so am I suspose to take back the land my ancestors owned, if so we would get half of the eastern states.

No, from what I can see the Jews are greedy, they do not care for anyone but themselves, they have proven themselves to be cold hearted killers. Just sitting back and watching I am starting to believe that they control of many of those who control the united states government and also our banking system, hell, that would allow them to control world markets because they could control what companies ect would get loans. I don't think Israel will be happy until they own the middle east or control it.

And I bet you don't think that you are an anti-semitic nazi type thinker, just an objective observer, right?

These Jews are claiming ownership of land that they claim belonged to their ancestors and they want it back, well sorry about that folks, you cant come back and lay claim to something that was lost in battle 2000 years ago, if you could then we would have countless groups trying to take back property that their ancestors lost, hell I am american indian so am I suspose to take back the land my ancestors owned, if so we would get half of the eastern states.

Surely you agree that you can't come back and lay claim to something lost in battle 60 years ago or 40 years ago. Right?

Your response el gringo: era perfecto! Gracias.

Yishai your original post is riddled with so much hypocrisy I barely know where to start. So I'll just say this: America gets to 'meddle' in Israeli affairs because it's America that keeps Israel going. Without the weapons, the endless aid dollars and the diplomatic clout of the US your sovereign state would have failed a long time ago. What makes you think you have the right to take billions of dollars of US tax payers money and then turn around and say 'How dare they'? How dare you.

We send aid money to many Middle Eastern countries including Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and so called Palestinians, who often use that money to kill Americans or name buildings after people who kill Americans or praise people who have killed Americans. Your a hypocrite.

Wasn't that a bit early in the conversation to play the nazi and anti-semitic cards?

Aid money was originally sent to Egypt to buy security for Israel, as such that money can be considered as Israeli aid. In 2006 Egypt received $495 million in economic aid and $1.3 billion in military aid:

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Saudi Arabia was sent a whopping 2.5 mil in 2005 and 2006 before the House voted to ban further aid:

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Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994 and has been a political ally of the US and Israel since 1970 when Jordan went to war with the PLO. They received around 700 million in economic development aid from the US last year.

By contrast Israel, a country of just 6 million people, pulls in $3 billion a year from the US in direct aid, plus roughly a further $2-3 billion in military aid, special loans and grants.

As far as I'm aware Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have not been involved in any military engagements in decades. Meanwhile Israel has been putting all that military aid to use with its recent jaunts in to Lebanon and Gaza and making development grants to illegal (under Israel's own laws) settlers in the West Bank:

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Show me exactly how US aid to the Palestinians has been used to kill Americans.

My my. Aid to Egypt was as a result of the Egypt-Israel peace agreement. Aid to Saudi Arabia? SA has so much treasury paper of the US that if it decided to dump it the depression would become reality. Jordan? Jordan is a problem? Since when...it has a peace agreement with Israel and is always a mediator in the area.

Re being a hypocrite...wipe the mirror again.

Umm... I have to agree with Yashi, we have no business telling Israel what to do. And we have no business funding them either. Well, that isn't entirely accuate is it. Actually, we have a pretty good business funding Israel. Weapons manufacturing is one industry not readily off-shored. Give it time. I should have writen: applying the same standards as Yashi calls for, the West needs to not interfere with Israel and, as an extention of this policy, the West should renounce it's busness interest in Israel, cut all funding to the middle east, remove all weapon systems, retrench ourselves to our boarders, and impose an export tax on remittances. How's that Yashi? Is that "not interfere in Israel's sovreignty" enough for you?

Zionist of the world, stop thinking you are so special. It pisses people off. Further, God fulfilled His promise to your ancestors. You can't wring any more concessions out of him.

Umm... My bad Yishai, I mis-spelt your name. Yashi is a box of breakfast flakes. I don't know I was thinking about that while responding.

Sorry, the breakfast flakes are called, Kashi. I have no idea what a Yashi is.

Yishai:

How is it that we think we should tell Israelis where they can build homes for their own citizenry fully within their national borders by the way, and claim to tiny Israel that we are right and their own duly & democratically elected Prime Minister, is oh so wrong?

How dare we.

How did our former Sec State dare tell the Israelis that there should be democratic elections in Gaza, the result of which not unpredictably the insertion of Hamas as the head of a significant portion of what our country still maintains needs to be a fully accredited sovereign Palestinian State. In my humble and certain opinion, a sovereign Palistinian State is the death knell of the Jewish Homeland, the historic State of Israel.

Hmm...we should respect democratic elections in Israel proper, but not in the occupied territories. So is the standard for respecting elections that we respect those that have outcomes with which we agree?

A Palistinian State, that were it allowed to come into existence, would no doubt be dedicated at it's core by it's most passionate and ardent believers, to the destruction of the entire State of Israel and the end of Zionism. A State of Palestine upon which would shine the full blown happy smiles of the likes of the Israel must die dictator of Iran, he newly in power through a military coup, the end of which has not yet been determined.

It is also clear that the most passionate and ardent Zionists would no doubt be dedicated to the destruction of any Palestinian state. Does that mean that we should drop all aid and diplomatic support to Israel?

Conflating the issue of a Palestinian state with the disputed elections in Iran is a transparent attempt to gain the sympathy of the anti-Ahmedinenejad liberals to the cause of right-wing Israeli politics.

Obama and America, should never be considered the proper policy makers for the sovereign State of Israel. If you are an American Jew who believes that they should, then you have lived in the Diaspora far too long.

This statement is funny considering that many (though not I) believe that American Jews have made Isreal the de facto policy makers for US policy towards Israel and the Middle East.

That being said, Obama and America are not policy makers for Israel. Stating what the US thinks Israel should do is not policy making. Israel can go and do whatever it wants, but if those actions are deemed by a US Administration to be significantly harmful to US interests, then the US can withold economic aid to Israel or refuse to provide cover for them in the UN Security Council or grin and bear it.

Your complaints are more that the Obama Administration believes that a two-state solution is the best solution (for the US) - a solution that many Israelis support. This has nothing to do with the US interfering with Israeli policy making.