Rather than my simply reciting what others say, let me just provide a few links. Please let me know if you need any more links?

Limbaugh's inciting violence:
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Bill O'Reilly back peddling on inciting violence on Tiller:
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its amazing how the demagouges rise to the surface braying their spiel of hate when times get tough. my father told me about how this happened during the depression in america. hopefully the mass of americans will reject them now as was done before.

I suspect that the Tiller family will attempt to seek compensation for their loss from Bill O'Reilly for his role in inciting violence against them.

Jesus, you are twisted. I went to your link of Rush's comments. No mention of abortion or Tiller. Just a lefty wacko on the Huffington Post (There's an objective site) railing on operation chaos.

What happenned to Tiller was horrific. The fanatic who shot him should and will be prosecuted. To try and say this guy speaks for all conservatives is like painting all former military members domestic terrorists because Tim McVeigh was former military.

"More"?

Shit, nevermind, "more", I would settle for one.

None of this shit you just presented shows, where either "urges ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct of a kind likely to create public alarm."

Come on, the damned TITLE of the article of YOUR LINK; Did Limbaugh Try To Incite Violence?, is a QUESTION, meaning it probably is'n exactly evidence of a crime, know what I mean?

Not to mention the fact that "a coordinated tactic for sowing division in the opposition party", (from the statement in the article, "The right-wing pundit's 'orders' to his Republican listeners have been clear: vote in the Democratic primaries as a coordinated tactic for sowing division in the opposition party. "), COULD be seen as being a bit shy of the required urging "ten or more persons to engage in tumultuous and violent conduct".

And for God's sake, your article also STATES: " Limbaugh's broadcasts were removed from encouraging direct acts of violence", so don't you think trying to use that as "proof" of him inciting violence falls just short?

But what of ORiley? Hummmmmmmm.............

"And if I could get my hands on Tiller -- well, you know. Can't be vigilantes. Can't do that. It's just a figure of speech."

"Can't do that".

Yeah, now THERE is proof of a man urging violence if ever there was such a thing, right?

I think that when the Tiller family seeks compensation for their loss from O'Reilly, it will be one of the first legal tests for determining where the lines cross between Freedom of the Press and a talk show's right of inflammatory comments designed for "inciting to riot".

You can do your own research, since there are many available, on when the right-wing talk shows and radio hosts overstepped the Freedom of the Press rules into areas covered by the federal laws against "inciting to riot".

Where the lines legally cross will eventually get worked out through the courts .

PUNY yeah, yeah there is no direct link to hate crimes, and yeah, yeah these media clowns are due the gurantees of free speech like everyone else...blah, blah, blah.

But we had major internal right wing American terrorism with Oklahoma City, Waco, and lesser incidents with Randy Weaver at Ruby ridge, Atlanta Olympic bomb, Eric Rudolph, and the Michigan Militas (which spawed McVie).

These were occurring about the same time right wing radio was whipping it's listeners into a frenzy by calling the ATF and the FBI "jack booted thugs" and with the likes of G. Gordon Liddy who was telling his radio audience to shoot ATF agents in the head because the heads have no body armor.

So yeah PUNY there is no direct causitive evidence, but there are at least 250 associtive bodies buried in Oklahoma City.

BTW the piece on Rush, seems to me Rush was more out to destroy the GOP with that vote DEM bit. It knocked the GOP primary voters out by forcing them to only vote DEM, therefore leaving the GOP primary wide open for failure.

Damned near a sane post from you, eusux.

Damned near.

Had you merely limited it to the first subjects in your post, "yeah there is no direct link to hate crimes" and, "due the gurantees of free speech like everyone else" and refrained from tainting that with your required looney-libby shot at those who do not accept your political beliefs as their own, "right wing American terrorism", you could have come across as something other than the apology monkey for those openly advocating the restricting of speech among our citizens along party lines that you obviously are...............

Pity.

It will come up again later, no doubt. Try again then, you are getting there.

Joey Goebbels and the Third Reich Propoganda Ministry knew how to whip up fascist hate. Are you inclided to think that those lessons have been lost on the right wing media?

Via radio Goebbels Minisitry of Propoganda would tell the Brown Shirts at what address to show up, at what time and vandalize which Jewish business. And SOB the Brown Shirts carried out the radio commands to a tee.

The Nazis also kept the hate alive with daily rantings from Hitler and other Nazi leaders.

Fear mongering, hate speech, making enemies out of fellow citizens for political gain...all one in the same.

Are you looking for a return to the Michigan Militia days when right wing America falsely feared government intervention and hoarded arms and played war games to ambush, attack and kill Federal Agents and local Police?

Those ATF agents that died at Waco laid their lives on the line to save little children from the horrible fate of religious zealot who was a gun nut (that is a s right wing as it gets).

And to have the right wing media call them "jack booted thugs" and to suggest that the right wing listeners shoot ATF agents in the head is over the line, unAmerican and diabolical all at the same time.

So?

"Joey Goebbels and the Third Reich Propoganda Ministry knew how to whip up fascist hate. Are you inclided to think that those lessons have been lost on the right wing media?"

Are YOU inclined to believe that ORiley is some sort of Joey Gobbels? Just because people say things you may disagree with politically doesn't make your desire to liken them to the Third Reich Propoganda Ministry. But even if it did, do you really think there is a "right-wing media? What of those who believe the media is left-wing? Do you support them dictating who gets on the air, or do you think they, unlike yourself, won't know who is "right" or "left"?

"Via radio Goebbels Minisitry of Propoganda would tell the Brown Shirts at what address to show up, at what time and vandalize which Jewish business. And SOB the Brown Shirts carried out the radio commands to a tee."

You seriously are trying to associate a talk show host to a Nazi government official? You are seriously wanting for republican listeners to be likened to government sponsered brown shirts? You want individuals actions to be likened to a government group's? Come on. Thats a hell of a stretch, even for you.

"Fear mongering, hate speech, making enemies out of fellow citizens for political gain...all one in the same."

And ALL defined by libs, describing anyone who says anything a lib disagrees with, and so unlike the way we see libs speaking of cons, is that it? Convienent, huh?

Are you looking for a return to the Michigan Militia days when right wing America falsely feared government intervention and hoarded arms and played war games to ambush, attack and kill Federal Agents and local Police?

Looking for that? No. Would not shock me though. A lot of what they feared is a government getting so big they told peole everything they could do, not unlike some want now.

"Those ATF agents that died at Waco laid their lives on the line to save little children from the horrible fate of religious zealot who was a gun nut (that is a s right wing as it gets)."

So NOW you are a proponent of the government judging the worth of one's religion? NOW you oppose a woman's right to choose? Obviously she wanted her and her child to be with the man.

"And to have the right wing media call them "jack booted thugs" and to suggest that the right wing listeners shoot ATF agents in the head is over the line, unAmerican and diabolical all at the same time."

Wrong for THEM to call others "jack booted thugs" but it is perfectly acceptable for YOU and the left to label THEM " unAmerican and diabolical".

I can certainly see where it would be cool to be a lib, none of the shit you want others to do ever applies to you.....

You are a sick man. Do you understand what morality really is, or do you con-tards just play that game for BS reasons?

"NOW you oppose a woman's right to choose? Obviously she wanted her and her child to be with the man."

Among other violations of gun laws David Koresch was reported to be having forced sex with children...and you are defending this? Sick, sick man.

David Koresch killed 3 Federal Agents and refused to comply with US law...you are supporting his murderous spree?

G. Gordan Liddy was telling his audience how to kill US Govt Agents, whom have kids and wives themselves, all for upholding the Constiution of the United States of America.

The problem PUNY is that the right wing media focus on folks like Tilley MD and they end up dead. They focus on federal agents as jack booted thugs". Michigan Militias, Ruby Ridge & Waco occur with righties thinking they are fighting an evil government. Whack Jobs like Timothy McVie and his right wing extreamist pals wage war by blowing up Federal Buildings and killing hundreds of innocents fighting off some imaginary left wing conspiracy to control their lives.

And you support all of this just because it is your side, and your side right or wrong.

Today you are just trash talking due to your frustrations, and I'm good with that sick expression of your right wing mind. Just don't go killing any federal agents or blowing any federal buildings in the name of Right Wing Whack jobs like Hannity and the rest of those fear mongers.

BTW fear mongering worked good for Bush in 2004...and a little fear of the Jews stealing Germany in the 1930s went a long way there too.

A Michigan Militia's Response To The SPLC Militia Report

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Headquarters, Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia 13 August, 2009

In response to recent panic-driven news reports concerning the growth of "racist, anti-government, right-wing militia threats" to The United States, we offer the following:

Next month, September 2009, will see the fifteenth anniversary of the founding of what has become the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia (SMVM). I have been an active participant in this unit since its inception. If I had been involved in anything illegal in these fifteen years, would I not have surely been arrested by now?

Before anyone takes the word of any paid employee whose very job is to distort truth and fabricate lies in order to garner support and funding for his organization, one should ask the subjects of these reports what they actually think. No free thinking person enjoys having his ideology or belief system assigned to them by anyone. Readers are invited to visit our web page at www.MichiganMilitia.com, and our social networking sites, so they can read all about our "ideologies" for themselves, and make their own informed decisions about who we are, what we do, and what we represent.

We deeply appreciate efforts by some of the folks at CNN who contacted us and actually asked for our input about a report regarding "the militia". This was a pleasant surprise. We encourage all news organizations, when presented with a one-sided report, such as the one furnished by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), to contact the groups in question, and at least make an effort to be fair and open-minded about things. If you are going to report about "the militia", then shouldn't you at least ask some "militia" people about it?

The SPLC, in what may probably be a very successful fund-raising endeavor, recently raised an alarm about the growth of "right wing militia groups". We can appreciate the recognition of the recent growth we have experienced, but would like to clarify the reasons behind it.

Any simpleton can claim that this group or that group has grown in response to the election of America's first African-American President. The fact is, militia groups that we know of care little for whatever color The President's skin is. We care far, far more that he, along with every other government employee, upholds his or her oath to support, uphold, and defend The Constitution.

No, we are not concerned about The President. He is, after all, merely The President. As such, he cannot pass a single piece of legislation, nor can he rule on even one issue before The Supreme Court. Our Constitution provides an excellent system of checks and balances that prevent this, or any other President, from growing too powerful, or assuming to much control over the lives of American citizens.

However, when multiple branches of government seem to be acting in an effort to establish control over the productive energy of a free people, then said free people have cause for alarm. This is not an extreme view, it is a factual one. No American wants to be told what to drive, where to seek medical help, how warm they can keep their house, or even how effectively their toilets are allowed to flush. No American wants to be told that he cannot own the most effective means of protecting his or her own life, or the lives of his family. No American wants to be told that he must work longer hours to pay more and more of his check to support an over bloated government bureaucracy.

No, Americans want to go to bed at night, after a day's work, and some chance to enjoy the fruits of their own labor, confident that our government is doing the job of protecting individual liberty from aggression, theft, or fraud. Americans want the promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness restored and protected. We don't need to have every facet of our lives micromanaged down to the finest detail.

But there are people at every level of government who somehow think it is their divine right to interfere with, tax, regulate, and confiscate every single aspect of working Americans' lives. This is shameful, and it doesn't have to be this way.

But this is not the only issue causing the very pleasing and expected growth of pro-freedom militia groups. The threat of terrorism or disaster will always loom over our heads. Crime is a constant concern for many Americans. And while the threat of invasion seems at best a very distant, remote one, we would like to help keep it that way.

Americans are becoming more and more involved in militia and other preparedness training not out of fear or hatred, but out of a sense of civic duty and responsibility. We are doing this not because we are angry, but because we care about this great nation, because we care about individual rights and responsibilities, and because we care about each other.

It is easy to demonize someone with whom you disagree with labels such as "Nazi, White Supremacist, racist, extremist, hate-monger, or anti-government." It is especially easy to do so when you are employed by a discredited far left-wing organization whose very existence depends upon frightening people into sending donations. An organization where Logic is an Enemy and Truth is a Menace.

The very idea of lumping us in with Nazi's and White Supremacists represents a total conflict of ideologies. Nazi’s are statist collectivists and by nature crave a supreme leader to follow, while we, as freedom loving Constitutionalists, uphold the rights of the individual to live free and for themself. Our members and their families represent various cultural, religious and racial backgrounds. This does not sit well with White Supremacists or racists. And being Constitutionalists, we are a pro-constitutionally limited republic form of government our founding fathers established, and anti-corruption of that form of government.

Militia people all across this country spend their own time, energy, and money on supporting this cause, the cause of American liberty, the cause of personal rights, the cause of freedom; freedom for everyone, regardless of race, creed, color, tint, or hue, religion (or lack thereof), or political views (or lack thereof). We do not get paid to do this.

Ask Mark Potok or Morris Dees how much they get paid to "report" on us, and you might get a different answer. Then you can decide for yourself.


Lee Miracle (Weapon M), Coordinator
Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia
www.MichiganMilitia.com