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Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
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Obama's Hopes for Engagement Face First Test

By Glenn Kessler

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, May 25, 2009 5:48 PM

North Korea's nuclear test has upended President Obama's efforts to demonstrate that engagement can be more effective than antagonism with hostile nations, leaving the young administration with critical choices about its response.

Does it ramp up the pressure with new and tougher sanctions? Does it not overreact and essentially stand pat? Or will it, like the Bush administration after North Korea's first test in 2006, shift course and redouble efforts at engagement and diplomacy?

Top officials within the Obama administration have only begun to grapple with those questions and have not reached any conclusions, officials said yesterday. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton hit the phones urging a "strong, unified" approach from other nations while President Obama said North Korea was "deepening its own isolation and inviting stronger international pressure." He promised to "work with our friends and our allies to stand up to this behavior."

The answer is complicated by the fact that the notoriously unpredictable government in Pyongyang appears to be in flux, with leader Kim Jong Il ailing from a stroke and no clear successor in place.

Any tough response will also face resistance from China, which has long been more concerned about regime instability on its border than nuclear weapons. China quickly condemned North Korea's test but analysts are skeptical that the response means it will be more open to sanctions than in the past

Even so, North Korea once again has forced its way to the top of the foreign-policy agenda of a White House that largely had been focused on reaching out to Iran and dealing with the crisis in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"The Obama team came in thinking the problem is a lack of engagement," said Michael J. Green, who dealt with the North Korea issue as a top White House aide in the Bush administration. "They now realize that it is a lack of pressure. They are determined to reteach North Korea good manners."

Obama inherited a sputtering multilateral diplomatic process on North Korea from the Bush administration, and initially U.S. officials suggested they would jumpstart the talks with the offer of direct, high-level bilateral discussions. Still there were suspicions in Asia and Washington that the president only intended to manage concerns over North Korea's nuclear weapons, not resolve them, when he appointed a part-time special envoy to handle the talks.

But then North Korea surprised the administration by spurning the offer of direct talks and in April tested a long-range rocket. When the United States led an effort at the U.N. Security Council condemning the rocket test, North Korea angrily responded by suggesting it soon would test a nuclear weapon in order to strengthen its "deterrent."

The administration response to North Korea rhetoric has been inconsistent in recent months, perhaps in part because the Senate, leaving a key policy-making role for North Korea unfilled, still has not confirmed Obama's nominee for Assistant Secretary of State for East Asia, Kurt Campbell. Other key players include James B. Steinberg, the deputy secretary of state; Stephen W. Bosworth, the special envoy; Jeffrey Bader, the top Asia specialist at the White House; and Gary Samore, the White House nonproliferation director.

Bosworth, who also retained his job as Dean of the Fletcher School of Diplomacy at Tufts University in Massachusetts, told reporters just days before the rocket test that "pressure is not the most productive line of approach" in dealing with North Korea and that talks probably would likely resume after "a cooling-off period."

But Samore recently told a conference at the Brookings Institution that "it's very clear that the North Koreans want to pick a fight. They want to kill the six-party talks." He was referring to the six-nation negotiating forum -- made up of the United States, North Korea, China, Japan, South Korea and Russia -- that has met since 2003 to try to resolve the issue.

Samore predicted that North Korea would conduct a test, but that North Korea would be forced back to negotiations within nine months. "We'll just wait," he said.

Clinton, meanwhile, gave an entirely different message in recent congressional testimony, telling lawmakers that "at this point it seems implausible if not impossible, the North Koreans will return to the six-party talks and begin to disable their nuclear capacity again."

Setting the right tone will be critical now, analysts said, because the Bush administration frequently veered between tough talk and concessions, largely because top officials were split on the right response. Bush initially labeled North Korea part of an "axis of evil" and let lapse a deal that had kept North Korea's nuclear reactor shuttered.

During the Bush years, North Korea built a stockpile of plutonium that could fuel at least a half-dozen weapons until it finally conducted its first test in 2006. The U.N. Security Council backed Bush's demands for a tough response, but then the president abruptly dropped efforts to impose a new sanctions regime after resistance from other nations. He instead shifted to intense diplomacy, including offering concessions such as dropping North Korea from the list of state sponsors of terrorism, if it began to disable its nuclear program.

Democrats had long criticized Bush for not engaging more with North Korea and applauded his sudden change of heart. Indeed, during the presidential campaign Obama supported removing North Korea from the terrorism list while his Republican rival John McCain was critical. Bush made the concession after receiving vague assurances from Pyongyang that it would agree to a verification plan; North Korea later denied it had made any such agreement.

John R. Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador who has long advocated a tough approach to North Korea, faulted the Obama administration for expecting the six-nation talks could be revived after North Korea reneged on the deal with Bush.

"There is plenty of blame to go around" for the current situation, he said. "The real moment of truth now is how the Obama administration responds to the test."

Bolton argued for placing North Korea back on the terrorism list, imposing sweeping sanctions and even seeking to expel North Korea from the United Nations -- in effect daring China to veto such tough measures. But David Albright, a former U.N. weapons inspector and president of the Institute for Science and International Security in Washington, said the response should not be new sanctions but instead better diplomacy. He said he found the administration's response to North Korea's provocations over the past few months "very frustrating," with one senior official even privately joking to him that perhaps North Korea would use up its stash of plutonium through repeated testing.

"This has required a high-level effort rather than just management of a problem," he said. A renegotiation of a treaty with Russia "was more urgent to them than North Korea. In the scheme of things, that was a big mistake."

Victor Cha, a Korea specialist who was the deputy negotiator to the six-party talks in the Bush administration, said that Bush had trouble winning broad support for sanctions because many around the world blamed his administration for the crisis in the first place and suspected he secretly was trying to topple the government.

"No one in the world blames this on Obama," Cha said. "They carry none of the baggage of the Bush administration, and that could work to the United States's advantage. I think North Korea underestimates that."

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Typical Republican Asshole Afraid of North Korea
by saladin
Coward
Re: Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
by mom
Did you read the article? Did you remember that Bush took N. Korea off the "Axis of Evil" list? Do you know how long Obama has been in office? Do you know how fucked up the entire Federal government is and how many batons are in the air at this moment because of the mismanagement of the past 8 years?

I ask you, like I asked whirlybird before. Do you have a brain injury causing you to be unable to remember things over the past 8 years?

Your belligerent hero John Bolton even wrote and Op-ed in the WSJ all about it.

"With much fanfare and choreography, but little substance, the administration has accepted a North Korean "declaration" about its nuclear program that is narrowly limited, incomplete and almost certainly dishonest in material respects. In exchange, President Bush personally declared that North Korea is no longer a state sponsor of terrorism or an enemy of the United States. In a final flourish, North Korea has undertaken a reverse Potemkin Village act, destroying the antiquated cooling tower of the antiquated Yongbyon reactor. In the waning days of American presidencies, this theater is the stuff of legacy."

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Bush/Cheney "Axis of Evil" policy was a total failure ......
by Time4CommonSense

Fortunately, the days of the failed GWB/Cheney "Cowboy Diplomacy/Axis of Evil" are now well behind us.

The World will now be watching China which has initially stated that it was "resolutely opposed" to the nuclear tests to see if they are truly willing and able to reign in North Korea for once and for all on its nuclear weapons program.

Assuming China remains opposed to North Korean nuclear tests in addition to the United States, Russia, and all of the United Nations are all currently condemning the North Korean nuclear test, the World Community goal will be to unanimously further isolate North Korea because of its behavior.

" The U.N. Security Council was meeting later Monday in New York to discuss what President Barack Obama called Pyongyang's "blatant defiance" of resolutions banning the regime from developing weapons of mass destruction. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown condemned the test as a "danger to the world." Russia's Foreign Ministry called it "a serious blow to international efforts" to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons.

French officials said they would push for new sanctions, and even traditional Pyongyang ally China said it was "resolutely opposed" to the test, which Russian officials estimated yielded a powerful 10- to 20-kiloton blast — enough to flatten a city and far more than North Korea managed in a 2006 atomic test. ... "

Re: Really? You think this was built in the last 100 days?
by kunigunda
dumb mother fucker.
But the President “condemns this provocative act.”
by Seedy

What else do you want? <link>

Re: But the President “condemns this provocative act.”
by Philadelphia Steve

Republicans are already singing the "it's all Obama's fault song". They were singing "It's all Clinton's fault" through election day 2008.

Do Republicans ever accept personal responsiblity themselves?

Of course not. Who are we kidding about that one?

Re: Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
by jammer

N.Korea developed and built their bomb during Bush/Cheney's watch dumbass.

Philadelphia?
by Seedy

I was born there. I lived in and around the city for 22 years.

Re: Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
by Philadelphia Steve

N.Korea developed and built their bomb during Bush/Cheney's watch dumbass.

There you go again: Asking that Republicans accept responsibility for events on their watch. Never happen. After all, the Bush/Cheney Administration did not take office until September 12, 2001, did they?

Wrong, as usual.
by northwoods
Joe Biden was right. <link>
Re: But the President “condemns this provocative act.”
by nonpartisan
Philadelphia Steve:

Republicans are already singing the "it's all Obama's fault song". They were singing "It's all Clinton's fault" through election day 2008.

Do Republicans ever accept personal responsiblity themselves?

Of course not. Who are we kidding about that one?

Democrats do the exact same thing as your comment suggests
Re: Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
by nonpartisan
jammer:

N.Korea developed and built their bomb during Bush/Cheney's watch dumbass.

.....And yet they built the missles that weaponize the bombs that they built into an actual long range weapon platform during the Clinton/Gore watch. Face it both Democrats and Republicans share the same "dumbass" as far as dealing with North Korea.
Re: Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
by nonpartisan
Philadelphia Steve:

N.Korea developed and built their bomb during Bush/Cheney's watch dumbass.

There you go again: Asking that Republicans accept responsibility for events on their watch. Never happen. After all, the Bush/Cheney Administration did not take office until September 12, 2001, did they?

Very correct As a matter of fact it is still the Bush admin. Obama is still on the side line waiting fo better days before he finally makes policy. Both ReThugs and DemonCrats, are guilty in pointing fingers at the other parties. It's their partisan short-sighteness that blinds them into getting any work done
Re: Bush/Cheny RIGHT AGAIN . ............LMAO
by Philadelphia Steve

No.

When the chips are down, Democrats are Americans before they are Democrats. In the days after 9/11 democrats gave every support to George W. Bush.

Republicans consistently put Party above Country. Had "9/11" happened under "President Gore", the very first thing Republicans would have done is introduce articles of impeachment in the House and Foxnews would have been screaming "impeachment" day and night. As Republicans are guaranteed to do should any attack happen on Obama's watch.

There is a difference.

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