This country was a Judeo-Christian conception and to my mind should be. Whether it is or not anymore may be subject to debate but what is NOT debatable is that our inheritance is predominantly of Christian providence.

I'm greatly disappointed in Obama not being able to carry the torch he has said is his inclination.

I'm just glad we are moving away from a religious based nation. Slowing but surely.

I'm greatly disappointed that Obama isn't agnostic but at least he understands separation of church and state. Wel except for his support of faith based govt paid for programs.

Dude, I know you've borrowed your new found reverence for agnosticism. Yes, it may be intellectually honest but spiritual truth is just as, if not more, important. That part you didn't bother to listen to. Too bad.

Religion is just brainwashing. I am very into gaining spritual knowledge. To do that one has to take in all the various spritual 'data' available to mankind thru the ages.

Believing in a religion is the end of any spritual quest. One is given the 'rules' and in most religions the 'what ifs' are answered. End of any quest.

I was at the Grand Canyon and a young boy was looking at this wonder of nature and starting asking his dad some question. 'Hey, I wonder how long this took, and how why it was made as it was made' His dad was very clear and said. 'There are no need for your questions, God made the Grand Canyon so man can enjoy it and that is all you need to know'.

End of the quest for this poor young boy!

So open up your mind and be spritual instead of closing it with religion.

You ARE wrong. Take another look @ the Constitution and that whole "freedom of worship" Freedom to choose ANY or NO religion is what this country is founded upon.

The guy at the Canyon and you both have got it wrong in your own ways. You see this guy who labels himself as Christian(?) and foist your experience of his perspective on all people of that belief system. See right there your agnostic belief system has just been revealed as fraudulent. You can't possibly have an agnostic take on God if you can't have an agnostic take on your grand canyon anecdotal evidence.

I don't agree with the entirety of those who have created this website linked below.

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But the conveyance of facts such as the inscriptions on monuments in DC, the words attributed to founding fathers, and documents speaking to inalienable rights are truthful and accurate evidence of a Christian value system setting up this Republic.

There is a sense of acceptance of other faiths such as the Jewish faith and Islam but the establishment of faith objections are without a doubt speaking to the establisment of a particular Christian denomination over any other. A really simple concept that liars are trying to twist for their own ends.

I fail to see where my belief is fraudulent. I really have no beliefs at all. None what so ever with regards to an after life, if there is a higher power, etc... none. No beliefs at all.

In fact I don't even know what 'god' is. Now of course I know how others have defined 'god' and their myths. I don't have an opinion on those either. They might be true and they might not be.

I just call them myths. With regards to being a Christian they do have certain core myths they believe in. Of course a lot of people claim to belong to a religion but don't really believe in the religions teachings. To me these people are frauds. Most of them are so called Catholics.

You are so inarticulate in your own belief system that you seem unaware that you should call it "disbelief". I'm sorry to have to be educating you in your own belief system because you are likely to use it to harm others.

I bet you don't even appreciate that evolution does not explain abiogenesis. And that despite that fact "intellectuals" like Dawkins and Dennet peddle their wares to the unsuspecting.

I saw a videos of Dawkins and Dennet speaking. I can say that I'm trully unimpressed with the best the atheists can come up with. But by the same token Rick Warren is an incomplete argument for the faith.

You seem like a decent enough person Jazz. I wish I could help you but probably can't. I'm sorry you're never going to get it.

Peace.

I wish I could say you are a decent enough person but you really are not. In my book you are a very arrogant person. Oh well.

I'm not impressed by atheists eithers because they have too many fixed beliefs. Evolution is only a theory but so far it is the best one I have seen to explain the origins of man.

You wish to have faith, ok, I understand that. I just don't understand why you cannot accept, without attacking, that some people don't. We are OK with not knowing what happens to us after we die, if there is some type of afterlife, etc....

We are not afraid of being clueless.

This medium only allows for shock therapy Jazz.

To have someone 'arrogantly' tell you that you are missing out might shock you into actually doing the research. I have NO doubt you have not read the Bible and truly studied the parts that to you seem incomprehensible, pointless or nonsensical. There is even a good chance you haven't done that for any other religion.

My dad was Christian and my mom Buddhist. I went to Catholic school until I was 10. I have studied many religions and read many, many books on the subject. I have decided to be agnostic since this is what works for me.

Read the End of Faith by Sam Harris and you might learn something. But no, that would be asking too much.

Stay with your faith, I hope if works out for you.

In fact I don't even know what 'god' is.

Your claim to disbelief is inconsistent with your 'study' of many religions. Disbelief is directly tied to never having contemplated the probability or the concept of god(s). Hardly possible for all but a babe. This claim of disbelief is logically improbable and argument made by some for no real net gain in regards to intellectual honesty.

To bad you were raised Catholic. Many people, not all, fail to get it raised in that perspective.

Of course I know what others say 'god' is, that wasn't my point and if you were able to see past your own POV you would of understood that.

But for myself I have no concept of this so call 'god' that they speak of and no fixed notions of what his 'god' is, looks like, would do, if 'it' would answer prayers, decides events on earth OR if 'it' is even a being.

To bad you fail to understand the perspective of others.

I've heard your perspective better proffered before.

The question to you would be, "Do you believe in God?"

You'd say, "I don't get the question because I have no concept of God."

Which is profoundly obtuse and illogical. I've had the conversation and it lacks any merit. The answer to the questions is 1) Yes, I believe, 2) No, I don't believe, 3) I don't know. The quizical ape look of "disbelief" does not work.

It is on the opposite spectrum of intellectual honesty to that of the agnostic which is what you claim to be. Which are you a disbeliever or an agnostic? You really can't be both and remain intellectually honest. Though you can be both and simply be inconsistent (to put it kindly).