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Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by john adkisson

Dylan's new album, taken in context of his recent recordings, is no surprise. Along with Modern Times, Love & Theft, Time Out of Mind, and the Academy Award winning single Things Have Changed -- Dylan has recorded some of his best work in the past dozen years. After a long dormancy, he is not only one of the most surprising old dogs of the new millenium, but one of best artists of the new millenium even without consideration of his historic peak years in the sixties and seventies.

And Dylan is not alone among the old dogs.

The most amazing comeback this century has been Bruce Springsteen's, who may fairly be knighted the best pop/rock star of the last ten years (again, considering only his recent work). This is difficult to refute after the classic albums The Rising, Devils & Dust, The Seeger Sessions, Magic, and Working On A Dream.

Don't get me started on Van Morrison -- who has never had an unproductive year.

In any event, this millenium has featured several younger artists who will live on for decades, including Coldplay, John Mayer, Norah Jones, and Dave Matthews. But with the Dylans, Springsteens, and Morrisons -- they will have their work cut out for them

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by KristaJulieva
The adult-contemporary mewling of Coldplay, John Mayer, Norah Jones, and Dave Matthews will live on for decades by being piped into waiting rooms and elevators, as people with decent taste in music struggle to control their gag reflex.
Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by irvingchang
LOL!!
Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by tonto_goldberg

The taste-free, guilt-free, conscience-free, and talent-free people who make such junk will turn anything into elevator music. Eleanor Rigby makes pretty nice elevator music, but I am waiting for Highway to Hell to show up.

I worked at a place back in the 70's that played jitterbug music on overhead speakers every other fifteen minutes, presumably in the hope that their clerical staff would work harder. I think it made their clerical staff do crummy work instead because of the jarring change from normal office background noise to very fast saxophone solos.

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by john adkisson

KristaJulieva;

I will concede that these newer musicians do not rise to the heights of Van Morrison, Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen. But remember that music has been poisoned by overreliance on visuals since the introduction of video. Consider, for example, that music categorized as "R&B" has not produced a single notable, quality act in two decades.

When looking back on the last ten years in music, my point is that Springsteen, Dylan, and Morrison have produced the most consistently excellent recordings -- and that this is shocking given the fact that they have been churning it out for four decades.

In terms of longevity, it is silly to pretend that John Mayer will not remain a major contributor for decades. His jazz collaborations, guitar virtuosity, and consistent songwriting are hardly the stuff of "elevator" music, and to suggest so is a bit over the top.

Dave Matthews is simply the best new rock artist over the past fifteen years, and has the best chance of any current artist to remain relevant until his last breath. When you reject him, I have to wonder what you could possibly know about "decent taste."

Okay, Norah Jones and Coldplay are not in the same category. I mention them only because they are both producing pleasant music which will live on beyond a five year shelf life which is typical for modern rock artists.

Jones will never change and will probably sound like a female Perry Como for the rest of her life. But there is a place for that and she will surely last. She is not in the "gag" category occupied by Mariah Carrey and her ilk.

I mentioned Coldplay only for their very short list of good works but, again, in a horrible line-up of recent rock musicians, they still stand out. Forty years ago we would have called Coldplay a one or two hit wonder. But by today's standards they pass the "gag reflex" test for anyone with a music knowledge that goes beyond punk, metal & hip hop.

If your superior "taste" runs to the music of Dylan and his contemporaries, I agree that the current lineup does not belong on the same planet. But times have changed and we take what we can get in the era of American Idol and Justin Timberlake. There are only a handful of good bands who are under fifty (the Decembrists, the Killers, and a few others) -- but they are just sprinkles in an otherwise bleak landscape. Even U-2 and R.E.M. are long in the tooth.

We'll never again see a decade that produces musicians like the Stones, Led Zeppelin, the Who, Cream, Traffic, the Beatles, Hendrix, Stevie Wonder, Morrison, Dylan, Joni Mitchell, Otis Redding, and dozens more that didn't just fall from mind without actually thinking.

Finally, the term "adult contempory" is a category invented by Billboard magazine. It's an irrational collection of music that is, according to Billboard, apparently enjoyed by "adults." Ironically, however, the list includes everything from teen idol garbage to cross over jazz and softer rock tunes. The category is so ambiguous it doesn't mean anything to criticize a musician because his music ends up on that chart. All the great rock artists mentioned above have cuts on albums that would be relegated to the adult contemporary list. Even Zeppelin had Stairway to Heaven which would have been sandwiched in between Barry Manilow and the Eagles on that chart thirty-five years ago.

The only acts that never end up on the adult contemporary list at some time or another are club rap and metal bands, none of which, this century, are worth the 99 cents it costs to download them. And consider Nickelback, the biggest selling rock band of the decade-- and an absolutely talentless pack of tone deaf fakes. At least elevator musicians took lessons.

But then again, some children mistake Papa Roach for actual musicians. Admittedly, I don't know what "decent taste" is or what it means to you. It is too personal. But I do know what virtuosity is. When I hear it.

John

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by Prytania3

I have to wonder about the taste of someone who lionizes the mewling Dave Matthews while automatically lumping the astonishingly talented Justin Timberlake in with American Idol's performers (among whom is Kelly Clarkson, whose "Since You've Been Gone" breathes fire).

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by john adkisson

Prytania3;

I concede I am old. But your selections would have been overmatched by a random sampling of popular artists 40 years ago. The rest included the talented but uninspired vocalists similar to those you have listed. Have you noticed that although Timberlake and Clarkson can sing (and well) -- they can't write lyric or compose melody or stamp originality or subversion into their music. Oh, I forgot about My Life Would Suck Without You. That's a treasure. What would be nice is an American Idol Free Zone and an ex-Micky Mouse Club free zone.

John

P.S. If you favorably compare Timberlake and Clarkson, two teenybopper singers, to Dave Matthews, I shouldn't be engaging in this debate. We're talking about rock, not American Bandstand. You were kidding, right?

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by Rosseau

John, don't forget U2 which have done superlative work this century. I would put their new album with the new records from Dylan and Springsteen as the best of the year. U2 have been together 33 years, the same number, I believe, of albums Dylan has produced, and the band has always strived for and achieved such transcendent, emotional sounds and lyrics, not shallow, stale popular at the moment music. They have soul, a social and political conscience, and enough musical ability to experiment and change their sound like they did on this last record. If their last two albums were classic U2 full of beautiful melody and poignant lyrics, then this new album is raw experimental U2 that has a spirituality not seen this strongly since The Joshua Tree. Through it all and like any great artists like Dylan and Springsteen, they have a passion in their music, an ambition to make songs that stir the soul, whether it is addressing the state of the world or the individual joys and griefs of life.

And Bono, although not in any way having the vocal instrument Dylan possesses, also gets a lot of flak for his non sugarcoated, non studio engineered voice. Actually, both new albums, lyrically, not only reference James Joyce and the Bible, but also deal in lost or broken down characters trying to make sense of their experience. On a optimism about life scale, Dylan's album is the most pessimistic, including that amazing, pissed off final track; U2's would be at the center--hard times for the character but a chance at redemption; and Springsteen's is the coda of a life and love well lived, filled with loss and tough times but showered in grace by transformative love.

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by Rosseau
Ah, okay, I was surprised you didn't mention U2; turns out I didn't read the final sentence of the 8th paragraph. Regarding them being long in the tooth, listen to their new album. It's everything I described above and Bono just wails on this thing, with an intensity he hasn't displayed in years. I truly think NLOTH is their third greatest album, after JT and AB.
Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by john adkisson
I agree with you on U2. The amazing thing about Springsteen, Dylan, and Morrison is the sheer quantity of great material this decade. They are producing at the rate of rockers in their twenties.
Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by the beyatles
U2!!!?? U. fucking 2?? I know you may be older, but try to find their performance at the most recent grammys, where they performed some song called "get yer boots on"..I believe. That was the worst performance I have EVER SEEN of the WORST SONG on earth. I know caps tend to make people sound crazy and angry, but that flaming piece of shit song deserves it. I was never the biggest U2 fan, but I had my phase, and of course knew their older albums. But they used to at least feign interest in affairs of the heart and passionate issues. Now? We get fucking POS's like "Stuck in a moment" with a video about a football kicker, and that horrible boots song. When your performance at the grammys is the worst part of it. of THE GRAMMYS. A show built around mediocrity and following the record company trends of what sellings. you need to stop, immediately. I know that everyone hears sunday bloody sunday and gets pumped up, but that was 20 years ago. when their most recent halfway decent album was over 15 years ago, let go. Nobody defends madonna doing American Pie or Ray of Light as some artistic achievement, yet if she had worked for africa we would be? Again, what's in a name? Any other band puts out the last 3 U2 albums, they get laughed at. U2? lauded yet again by idiot critics.
Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by john adkisson

beyatles;

Making statements like "worst song on earth" and "worst performance I have ever seen," somewhat undercuts your credibility. Did you see the Jonas Brothers trying to play instruments that they could not play, while embarrassing the hell out of Stevie Wonder? I agree U2 peaked years ago, but they're still not as bad as you bleat.

John

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by the beyatles

Thanks for the response, John.

How does "worst song on earth" and "worst performance" specifically undercut my credibility? While I understand that obviously "worst song on earth" is a bit of hyperbole, and the performance part may be subjective, I don't know that it hits my credibility. The "Jo' Bros" was pretty terrible, and poor stevie wonder, I hope, had no idea what was going on, but you expect that to be terrilbe. U2 had a time where they at least feigned some depth of interest in making their music express passion and heart and issues and whatever other things that people often loath in music but I love, but now as I said sing the most mundane BS on earth, like Metallica, another band that has only made music worse for still existing.

Bad is a relative concept, I begrudgingly admit. However, what you expect from a band varies from the wiggles to a band that at one point strived for more. and the only envelope U2 now pushes, aside from Bono's next paycheck or shitty as living hell (no hyperbole, just fact there) article for the NYT, is the one I thought metallica had sealed shut. The envelope that shows just how low a band of older men will go to seem "hip" or "relevant" or whatever the fuck you would say U2 is trying, and failing, at doing.

Re: Dylan Is Part Of A Resurgence of "Old Dogs."
by Prytania3

I've been listening to rock 'n' roll since the late sixties. Timberlake and Clarkson are much closer to real r'n'r than the silly-assed frat rocker Dave Matthews will ever be. Regarding your weird assertion that lyrical profundity and instrumental competence--as well as the tedious claim that "real" rock music is played by the artists of record (see what I did there?)--please consider Frank Zappa on the Monkees. Also consider that the Beatles brought in a hired gun for "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" (thus adding a layer of irony for the cognescenti), that e.g. the Ramones fail the competence test, and that you are not really hearing Sid Vicious when you are listening to the Pistols on record.

You make two common mistakes. First, the Romantic error of focusing on artist rather than product. Second, using the term "teeneybopper" [sic] as if it is an insult.

... a hired gun?
by tonto_goldberg
There was a lot more to the long-term working relationship between the hired gun and the Beatles. Eric Clapton and George Harrison became friends during the time in the late 1960's when Harrison was developing as a songwriter. John Lennon and Paul McCartney weren't very interested in Harrison's songs but recorded several versions of "While My guitar Gently Weeps" and finally released it in 1968 with Clapton playing lead guitar and Harrison playing rythm guitar. Harrison also played rythm guitar on "Badge" which he co-wrote with Clapton, for the Goodbye Cream album in 1969. Clapton married Harison's ex-wife Patty Boyd.
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