Here try do demonize this woman after seeing a video.

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I find her way more sincere than virtually all bloggers on XX Factor.

Who needs to demonize her? But it's worth pointing out that she was Bush's ambassador to the Vatican, so apparently she can work with people who advocate for the death penalty, an unjust war, and torture, all of which are contrary to Catholic doctrine, but she can't share the stage with a pro-choice President. Seems like rather selective principles to me.

You just did demonize her. I don't know if Glendon see's it this way but maybe... If you perceive a grown man was coming at you to kill you with a gun and you aborted him would it be the moral equivalent of you aborting a 7 month old fetus because you perceive it would result in a better life for you personally? In your mind they are morally equivalent while in other minds they aren't. Finally, Obama got Georgetown, a Jesuit school, to cover over their religious iconography. Obama got Georgetown to publicly deny Christ. I find that astonishing as does probably Glendon.

Um, no, not unless the word "demonize" means "criticize," rather than "to represent as evil or diabolic." I'm saying that she's inconsistent--Catholic doctrine opposes abortion, capital punishment, unjust war, and torture based on its belief in the inherent dignity and worth of human beings. *All* of them, all made in the image of God. Glendon is free to refuse to stand up with Obama on the grounds that he supports legal abortion, but I find it inconsistent (based on her own religious doctrines) that she is willing to support Bush, who supported capital punishment, started a war unjust by Catholic standards, and implemented a policy of torture.

I gave an example of the moral difference between murdering a man and murdering a child.

Your unjust war need not be her unjust war. Do you get the distinction now?

Also, did the council of Bishops (or whatever it is called) call specifically for a boycott of sorts in regards to war, and capital punishment proponents as it did abortion proponents? Most items in the news have singled out more strongly the Catholic establishment stance againts abortion proponents than war proponents in regards to offering communion. So Glendon may very well be in step with her faith.

Kit-kat- Capital punishment is not considered 100% across the board as immoral. Countries have the right ts make that decision, although personally I want it gone. According to many Catholics the Iraq war did not meet the just war requirements, but not all agreed. I agreed with JPII's opinion. However abortion is acroos the board considered immoral and a grave threat to society. Torture: also immoral but the scope on which is happened does not even approach the scope of abortion in America. I am not justifying Bush's position on those issues, they are abhorrent to me. But not nearly as abhorrent as millions of dead children. Thus Mary Ann Glendon's particular concern.

Glendon is the one who seems to be out of step with American Catholics. Most of them voted for Obama. Apparently they believed that feeding their own children was more important than protecting someone else's embryo.

Why even bother to post? You added nothing more other than demagoguery.

Well, Pope John Paul II said the war in Iraq was unjust, and I believe the US Conference of Catholic Bishops did as well. A war is not just or unjust as a matter of personal opinion, and in any case, I heard of no kind of church authority who argued that it was a just war. The Vatican was pretty consistent in its condemnation. And the only time capital punishment is justified, according to the catechism, is when someone already in prison poses a danger to others and cannot be controlled in any other way, a situation which the catechism notes is unlikely to exist in modern countries.

I have no problem with Glendon's decision not to receive the Laertes medal (disclosure: I am a Notre Dame alum). If she doesn't want it, she shouldn't receive it. But I'm not sure that I buy the "some evils are more evil than others" line of reasoning. Respect for life means that you don't get to decide that some lives are more valuable than others. A sin is a sin, and taking a life is taking a life.

Not being catholic I simply don't care other than Obama gets Christians to deny Christ inside their very abodes.

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Spiker, so who's the demagogue in this line?

If you really don't have a dog in this fight, your whole contribution has been solely for the purpose of repeating your party line.

I don't so much care about Catholic politics or theology necessarily. I care that Christians will compromise their principles for Obama. Obama has done nothing extraordinary to this point. He is merely a cult of personality.

I highlighted above what most people in a discussion would miss and harp about and then I'd have to point out I included a caveat.

Again, I take satisfaction in the truth of saying Obama is a manufactured cult of personality that gets FBI Agents to wet their panties and faint. And he takes it as his due. Instead of sobering up his followers he seems to encourage absurd adulation in him. It is creepy, scary and absurd.

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