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Convergent evolution in repression?
by bubba_barry

It is very eerie to see the USA converging toward practices of the Nazis under Hitler.

The assertion of Presidential powers, not subject to review reminds me of the phrase, "it is the Fuhrer's wish," (der Fuhrer's wunsch) as sufficient justification for any action in the Third Reich.

Hitler also ignored his experienced generals and thought of himself as a supreme strategist, surrounded by toadies like Goebbels and Goering, much as Bush ignores his experienced generals and relies on guidance from people like Cheney and Rumsfeld.

And the phrase Lithwick quotes, "it will make certain things certain that are not certain," and our use of Presidentially approved CIA kidnapppings and torture in secret prisons, is all too reminiscent of Hitler's infamous "Nacht und Nebel" decree, that people should just disappear into the uncertainty of the night and fog.

Re: Convergent evolution in repression?
by NightSwimmer

What you don't seem to understand Bubba, is that we are the good guys.

It's only the bad guys who need to be dissappeared.

Glad I could clear that all up for you !

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Nazi analogy
by aeschylus

Render unto me a freaking break. No one's being herded into camps. There are no gas chambers. No crematoria. Comparisons to Hitler are laughably facile. And Bubba, would you not at least concede that Hitler's motives behind "Nacht und Nebel" are vastly different from the president's rationale for CIA renditions? I totally understand those who differ with President Bush's policies during this war on terror, but labelling his putative abuses as nothing more than a fascist bid for absolute power (rather than a means to an end) is ludicrous. We can argue whether the end justifies the means adopted by the current administration, but decrying it as fascism for its own sake borders on willful ignorance.

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