The front-line, so to speak. And hamas and hezbollah are mere proxies. Proxies for those who are bent on destroying the West. Do not forget Momabai, Madrid, London, Paris,, and 911. Do not deny Indonesia, Afghanistan, and the Phillipines. No, It is a global War, one where israel is merely at the frontline.

Can they hold the frontline? Only one part of it. No, one cannot win a war on just one battlefield, and that would be far too much to ask of Israel. It is NOT a Gaza War. But YES, they can maintain themselves in that local environment. Hopefully, the rest of the West will wake up.

Should we also remember Oklahoma City, where disgruntled Americans killed Americans? How does that fit into your war?

C'mon fella. One case does not constitute a universe. Besides, what does one thing have to do with the other anyway?

What Israel is doing was once called "reprisal murders" and it was a well known method used by Rome, the Nazis, and many other conquest oriented cultures to try and control the populations of the conquored.

When Rome for instance conquored and occuppied a large city it would inform the residents that if a Roman soldier were murdered that 100 (sometimes more) residents (most of whom were not the murderers) would be murdered in response. The thought was that the fear of such reprisals would quell resistince to the occuppation. In fact it often had the opposite effect-especially after the first executions of the innocents.

Israel can spin this any way they want but it all comes down to this--they are using heavy duty military weapons against primitive weapons and they are killing a large number of arabs per number of Israelis killed--it is basically a reprisal strategy--the Israelis are hoping that if enoough arab women and children are killed in these reprisals that the terrorism will stop--in fact every dead arab woman and child will become ammunition in the propaganda war against Israel.

They could use WW2 artillerry - the way Hamas uses against Israel - but I have a feeling that you would object to that too...

I am being objective. Israel can respond any way they want-that is their choice.

But when you kill 200 plus innocent arabs for every dead Israeli you arent accomplishing anything in the direction of peace. You are practicing 200 eyes for one eye and that is reprisal murder--it is revenge in fact and vengence is reserved for the Lord if you believe in the 10 Commandments.

It doesnt matter what the technology used is--what matters is that the people Israel is killing are rarely the same people who fire the rockets AND in addition the number of innocents killed in Gaza --this is why the policy is so flawed.

You might ask that Hamas stop firing rockets, but then this rewards Israels reprisal murders--it is the cycle of violence which cannot hope to end until one side decides to stop and work to peace.

Until then we have two sides who refuse to acknowledge peace is the answer and therefore we will have war.

Hammas does not want peace. They desparately oppose a stable 2-state solution. They want a single muslim/arab state in "Greater Israel". They are very willing to sacrifice hundreds, perhaps many thousands of lives to reach their goal. Israel isn't even willing to make a symbolic sacrifice.

"But when you kill 200 plus innocent arabs for every dead Israeli you arent accomplishing anything in the direction of peace."

It's amazing that you talk about 200 innocent arabs - and a dead Israeli - accenutating the innocence of arabs, and simply proclaiming the death of a Jew.

BTW, any proof that Israel killed 200 innocent arabs for one Jew?

You might ask that Hamas stop firing rockets, but then this rewards Israels reprisal murders--it is the cycle of violence which cannot hope to end until one side decides to stop and work to peace.

You see, the problem is, we already asked Hamas to stop firing rockets - and they refused. Now, Israel is asking them same thing. Lets see who is more successful.

BTW, I like how you don't want Hamas to wage war against Israel, since it would reward Israel's targeting of Hamas terrorists. All in one - you don't have a problem with killing innocent Jews, and you object to killing Islamic terrorists.

If what you say were true, Israel would be carpet/firebombing Gaza City causing 10s of 1000s of civilian casualties. You know, like the Allies did in Dresden, Hamburg and about a dozen other German cities during WWII. They have the capability.

One wonders though if Hamas had the capability would they they refrain from employing it?

First off Gringo I do not favor either side. I am against terrorism and this includes using the military to slaughter people as being terror also.

In my personal opinion the problem is that the local police in Gaza allow Hamas to fire these rockets-but that hardly absolves Israel of responsibility for the deaths they cause.

My point about the 200/1 ratio is to point out Israels complicity in terror, not to place the value of the dead--one Jew is worth one Muslim or more specifically one life is worth one life. If you prefer you can ask yourself if you believe one Jew is worth 200 arabs and that would explain my belief that Israel is using the old reprisal killing formula, but no, I dont have anything against Jews personally--Im pretty much non religious and believe religion leads to misery and war as a rule.

As to asking whether Hamas would use heavy weapons and carpet bombing on Israel if they could, of course they would. I have never absolved the Hamas rocket launchers of guilt in my posts.

Let us look at the simple reality here--the rockets are few and random and in general are a nuisance weapon. They are the last gasp of an extremist group which is desperately seeking to get attention. They are criminals and as such the Gaza police should nail anyone with a rocket.

The Israelis are responding to these criminals by slaughtering arabs by the hundreads in hopes the carnage might cause arabs to stop the rockets.

In my opinion both are wrong, but one cannot look at the ratio of 200/1 and ignore it. It is no better to ignore 200 dead arabs than it is to ignore one dead Jew.

Israel got many more thing other than war but i cant understand why only fight and battle goes on in

Israel.The life of their nationals are getting worse due to it.