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" Stand By Me..." The Constitution Conundrum....
by Smarmalade
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“The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth

defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all

attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy

ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of

treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It

will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation,

enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by

violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of

false and designing men.” Samuel Adams

What a Fuckhead You Are!
by What a Fuckhead You Are
What a Fuckhead You Are!
Re: " Stand By Me..." The Constitution Conundrum....
by Thomas Paine
Well, Samuel Adams does make a decent-quality beer -- maybe not up the the standards of my favorite micro-breweries, but well above the Bud/Coors piss.
The 'real' question is ...
by watt4bob

... at what point does talking out you ass become colusion in subverting the Constitution?

The Constitutional issue that most applies to this discussion of Obama's citizenship is this;

Under what circumstances is it legal to overrule the will of the American people as demonstrated in the election?

There is already a system in place to determine whether a candidate is qualified to be placed upon the ballots that we all marked with our choice on Nov. 4th.

Those who push these lawsuits don't care that the issue has been decided already, they seek to overturn Obama's election at all costs, even if it means destroying our democracy.

In fact destroying our democracy may be the actual prize regardless of Obama's being the current target.

Since even a negative decision by the Supreme Court might have the effect of passing the issue off to the Congress and the electoral college system where they'll in effect second guess our recent election with hearings, bluster, grandstanding and faux 'concern', all to the effect of negating the rights of 'The People' to elect who they would, and injecting the Legislative 'process' where it has never belonged.

So, do you really want to have Congress become the new 'deciders' or do you think that counting the peoples votes the old fashioned way is a better way to express the 'Will of the People'?

Our votes are all we have, and the people questioning Obama's legal standing as an American citizen are very much the "false and designing men" that Samual Adams was warning us about.

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by watt4bob
Nice quote, Smarmalade...
by DrNo
but who are the "false and designing men" in our instance?
Good question Dr. ...
by watt4bob

... by that, I mean it has a lawyerly ring to it, and by that I mean I think you know the answer already.

The Greatest Con Man of all Time....???
by Smarmalade

Pravda Runs Editorial Laughing At U.S. For Not Verifying If Obama Is A Citizen

The column said Obama can easily put the issue to rest by producing the document, rather than spending thousands of dollars on attorneys to defy federal and state lawsuits.

“Barack Obama may just win his place in history as the greatest con man of all time,” the author said. “A hundred million people believed him and spent 600 million dollars to get him ‘elected’ to the highest office in America, without ever knowing if he is or is not eligible to even run as an American citizen. It is either amazing that he will pull it off or it is amazing that so many millions of people believed him.”

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However, amid skeptical reports, the New American reported, “This story has gained credence, separating it from Internet rumors, because Obama has reputedly hired three law firms (firms, not lawyers) to make sure that no one gets access to his birth records in Hawaii or his college transcripts from Occidental College and Harvard.”

“Obama sold the dream of hope and change so desperately wanted by the Americans. He pushed the greed button by promising to take from the rich to give to the poor. Every con man walking free or in jail is an articulate speaker. Who would give their trust to a man who could not use the right words to convince his targets to trust him? Articulate speaking is no way to judge or rate the integrity of a person.”

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Questions about Obama’s citizenship status are spreading like wildfire on the Internet, and some media outlets are beginning to run stories on the issue.

Even the Russian online newspaper Pravda featured a column about “the man with no visible past.”

“Barry Sotero, AKA Barack Obama, along with the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission have successfully ignored a Federal Lawsuit asking him to produce a valid Birth Certificate,” the piece by Mark McGrew states. “When the time to respond to that lawsuit expired, under Federal Court Rules, they all admitted that he was not a citizen of The United States of America and deemed to have committed fraud. A normal man would have been found to have admitted he was not a U.S. citizen.”

While McGrew acknowledges Obama is praised for his way with words, he warns, “Every con man walking free or in jail is an articulate speaker. Who would give their trust to a man who could not use the right words to convince his targets to trust him? Articulate speaking is no way to judge or rate the integrity of a person.”

The writer said every con man sells a “dream,” pushes a “greed button,” stresses “urgency” – and it claims Americans fell for a con man.

“Obama sold the dream of hope and change so desperately wanted by the Americans. He pushed the greed button by promising to take from the rich to give to the poor. And he stressed urgency by himself and his wife telling voters to vote early.”

McGrew explains that Obama’s “certificate of birth” is not a birth certificate, but a certification of live birth that any foreigner can acquire by applying for one in the state’s vital records department, regardless of where the baby was born.

Commentaries:

".........Given that he knows full well that his ongoing refusal to provide the birth certificate will only make half the nation feel like he’s giving them all the finger, that their right to be Governed by a President who meets the United States’ constitutional standards and who respects that Constitution, has been stolen from them, and that all of this will lead to internal unrest that could become violent, that he is slashing at the country with the knife of his ego and wounding it deeply, there can be only two answers as to why he’s refusing to show it. 1. He doesn’t have it. 2 He’s evil. It’s either 1, 2 or both........."

":.........If you want detailed and on one ocasion a VERY detailed and erudite dissertation on this subject scroll down the home page of http://antimullah.com where yo will also find the same information presented in educational viedoes.

To answer one of the other posts, Obama does not produce his birth certificate because the only one he has shows he was born in Mombassa, Kenya.

He also refuses to provide his Columbia University transcripts or any paper he wrote there. The most likely reason would be that he registered as a foreign student getting a scholarship as a foreigner and committed one of the several felonies which he is hiding with his various attempts on different occasions to prevent anyone looking at potentially criminal acts of misrepresentation.

Let me stop and let you read all about it. Or just view the videos....."

".......... Pat said: “Given that he knows full well that his ongoing refusal to provide the birth certificate will only make half the nation feel like he’s giving them all the finger…”

The bastard likes giving people the finger, he takes great joy in it (see the videos on youtube.com). Barry flipped off both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain in public.

The Supreme Court better do their job, or there will be hell to pay, and it won’t be cheap!..."

"............. I just went from World Net to Pravda’s on-line English front page…mutant baby, parasitic twin, hamster sperm, aliens and sex organs, baby born pregnant, Hitler’s missing testicle, transgendered models, Britney and Obama.

Has the President-Elect found his place in this world?........."

".......... This is pretty interesting as well, posted on Earthfrisk.com,
apparently College Republicans in Hawaii have canvassed every hospital and each hospital denies that Obama was born there. ",.... <link>

The other guy is right ...
by watt4bob

... you are total fuck head.

Obama has produced his birth certificate.

But I'm sure that you will reply that it's forged.

I wonder how it is you don't even know the basis for the cases being brought?

And I really wonder why you're reading Pravda, are you a commie?

Re: Nice quote, Smarmalade...
by H_Keller

Atlanta Blk commissioners on payroll of landfill garbage dumpers for new housing covering up old Wm & Mary Rev jefferson's, Rev Gerry's Skull n Bones Penal colonist and slave crackers cemetary (source CNN)

"You Better Love me"

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Moor israelite veiled chrisitans left-wrights-semper Fi hate mongers

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