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From My Orbit
by SpaceCadet
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Dear Prudie: Nice new mug! Your hair and makeup look terrific, and you are no longer squinting into the sun in front of an out-of-control laurel, just a little, cockeyed evergreen. Well, at least your skin looks really nice.

LW#1:

Call the suicide hotline on your own RIGHT NOW and talk to a counselor there about your concerns. They can be there for you, too. Because if I were around someone making "jokes" like that, I'd be scared out of my gourd.

RIght now you've put your boss on notice, saying that you are not going to take her frightening "jokes" as such anymore. And forget that she's the decision maker — one thing I've learned in my career is that nobody, but nobody, is irreplaceable, and it doesn't sound like her judgment is all that awesome right now anyway, the company needs a break from her shenanigans. And she needs a break from being "the decider," it sounds like.

I detect a certain amount of chaos in your company, from the crazy stuff you're getting from the top to the financial chaos of just getting paid to the way the outside world is affecting the company. You don't sound like it's going to be there forever, nevermind your boss. You all need a plan, as a company, as individuals. I would think sitting down with the boss and talking honestly about charting a course to stability — and talking about worst-case economic scenarios. Mapping out plans, resources and keeping perspective that even if the company goes under it is not the worst thing to ever happen, that you all have personal and social resources to draw on if that occurs, may be critical for everyone.

But for the love of Pete, talk to the counselor, talk to the boss's brother so he'll reach out to her (if not lock her up in a padded cell), do what it takes to get through to her that no matter how awful things look, there are backup plans and our worth is more than our work.

Sigh. I just lost a family member to suicide. He was deeply mentally ill (schizophrenia) and there really isn't anything that could have been done to prevent it. But you can get out in front of her impulses, since this sounds situational. But it takes getting out in front of it.

LW#2:

Some people have impulses they can't control. But someone obviously violated your trust and now you know what you're dealing with in your husband's family and you can plan ahead of time and wear a money belt under your track suit.

Because this is family, and while it is likely that whoever is impulsive or addicted has not yet spun out of control and alienated everyone and is no longer welcome at family gatherings, you do still have an obligation to put up with the family with safeguards. Maybe someday the person will get better and will eventually win your trust back.

You're going to have to suck it up and take precautions and try to enjoy your husband's family. The trick is to let them deal with their own drama while you watch from afar with a jaundiced eye and some sympathy for the ones among them who are victims.

But there is a condition: Obviously, your husband should be supportive of you on the trip (i.e. telling his family to back off if you're not in the mood for something, being your partner, etc. against any complaints they may have about you), and you should make this a condition of your going. The family does not get to whine that you're negative and angry when they've violated your trust, that is, and he should be with you there.

LW#3:

I don't think you can afford not to pursue treatment. Take a second job, if you haven't already, to do what you need to to get rid of your acne. If your acne is making you an introvert and limiting your life, and you know it, stock shelves on the weekends to get the pills or creams you need. Or the psychiatric help you need to cope with having the acne.

As for jerks who have to let you know how awesome their treatment is when you're walking down the street, just go, "OMG, I have acne???" and walk away.

Another thing I feel compelled to say — oh my God you need to lighten up. If you are filling your friends' ears with how you have it so bad that they are compelled to bring up people in wheelchairs you are letting your acne ruin your social skills. No, it's not doing it for you, you're letting it happen. Just because you have acne is no excuse to wallow in self-pity and be a Debbie Downer. I get it, it's painful. But you know what is painful? Life. It's absurd to all of us in myriad ways (except for rich jerks, who always seem to cruise above their bad choices through good luck and extreme self-regard). We all have awful, horrible crap to deal with, not all of it visible. But we persist. And we can make a choice to persist and wring what little joy we can out of life, and maybe give back a little to this cold, uncaring world that certainly doesn't deserve it. Or we can just persist in a manner that drags people down.

Getting rid of your acne is not necessary to get rid of your massive depression and self-pity. You can build self-esteem on an acne-ridden base. Look into it.

LW#4:

What is this, depression week? Your sister sounds a little messed up, but not to worry, by the time your niece turns 6 she'll be wanting her little friends around instead of mommy's buddies.

In the meantime, have a little pity on your sister. She is raising a little kid, and that's enough to make any adult crave other adult contact. Maybe she even wants to force her lucky childless buds to suffer through the inanities with her so she's not alone in being bored out of her gourd by Barney or whatever is the cool program.

A playgroup may do her a world of good and stimulate the social development of her daughter. Take her out with the gals without the kid so she knows she's not forgotten, but do seriously talk to her about how she needs to develop a network of moms to share the more "Disney Princesses on Ice" stuff she wants to do with her kid.

It does sound like she's a little depressed and lacks some perspective. Good luck helping her with that!

Re: From My Orbit
by epicwaters
In Reference to your answer to letter three, I think you are right on the money. I have had ance damn well all my life and I have a job that has excellent health insurance. I have seen countless doctors and I have better skin, but I still break out a lot. If ance is controlling her life this much, she needs to do something about it. I know I have bad skin, my mom is 50 and still breaks out all the time...so I don't have perfect skin, I still talk to people, I still get out and do things. I wish I could have better skin, but thats life. But I won't take shit from people coming to me and telling me the "cure" for ance. I know I have bad skin, I don't need people pointing it out. The girl needs help, see a skin doctor, some of the treatments are easy, but won't always cure everything. And see someone for the depression, I am who I am, I still live my life, bad skin or not.
Re: From My Orbit
by bigbuck623

lw3:

There is no reason for anyone to have acne today. NONE. She needs to go to university medical centers and ask if she can be in trials of some sort or another. I'm sure there's always something running on the long-term effects of Accutane. Bottom line, though: Instead of complaining, be persistent with doctors and hospitals.. eventually there will be something. It's a dermatological condition that will always need treatment, so there's essentially no end of experimentation.

Re: From My Orbit
by SpaceCadet

I think her acne *is* her big excuse. Lonely? Introverted? Not successful at work? It's the acne's fault.

It doesn't matter what huge issue anyone has — if you know you have an issue, get a plan to deal with it. Me, I decided I was too fat a month ago. I was lazy and too smooshy in the belly and my pants were getting tight and I was getting winded going upstairs. It was having an impact on my life. So I have been hauling ass to the gym, reading about nutrition and exercise and making sure I have my gym bag ready to go after work. I've only dropped two lousy pounds (very frustrating, since I work out 3-4x a week for at least an hour, but understandable since I haven't really cleaned up my diet), but you know what? My pants aren't so tight any more and I'm getting somewhere. I used to have no time to go, but once I realized that having "no time" meant I was watching too much TV (mostly), I recast my priorities. I'm not saying it's easy, I'm just saying there's no reason to sit around and whine. If anything, you'll chase your friends off that way.

Re: From My Orbit
by IncogNeato
bigbuck623:

There is no reason for anyone to have acne today. NONE. She needs to go to university medical centers and ask if she can be in trials of some sort or another.

Even acne treatments often have some serious side effects. And trial studies are not inherently safe. That's why they pay people, who sign releases, to do it. And why usually only poor people (including students), the terminally ill, or prisoners agree to do it.

There was a study a few months ago which was stopped after (I believe) 7 of 7 patients were rushed to the hospital soon after the drug was administered, to be treated for organ failure. I don't recall what the drug was intended to treat.

Re: From My Orbit
by BortimusPrime
How does "I don't like people commenting about my acne" get turned into accusations of the LW blaming all her problems on acne? Seriously people, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Re: From My Orbit
by Mrs.M
in reference to letter three. Yes, we all face day to day hardships, sometimes it is our health, and sometimes it is the fact that we are wit-less wonders who have managed to learn how to use the computer. Acne doesnt just affect how the sufferer approaches the world it also affects how the world approaches the sufferer. I know personally, having been in clinical trials and on experimental drugs and topicals to cure my acne. And SURPRISE! they did not work. Now, i am very happy to say that My skin is healthy and clear. and while i was suffering - yes suffering - from acne, i did not let it hold me back. i pursued my career goals, went out, socialized, went to clubs with friends and to dinners with my husband. but the affects of this very visible condition on the psyche can be devastating. people treat you differently, i know from personal experience. i am the same outgoing fun loving extrovert as i have always been, but now that my skin is healthy, people dont avert their eyes when taking my dinner order, bartenders dont pass me over to talk to the pretty blonde to my right. I get promotions and recognitions at work, for the same hard work i have always put in. People treat you differently and if you honestly think otherwise try this - hug a friend with clear skin really tight cheek to cheek. now do it with a friend who has bright red and puss filled blemishes covering their face. go ahead do it - cheek to cheek. can't do it huh, just as i thought.
Re: From My Orbit
by Terrils
SpaceCadet:

, you do still have an obligation to put up with the family

Not true. It's not acceptable to put up with misery from relatives that one wouldn't tolerate from friends/strangers, even though "you have to put up with relatives" is often used to excuse appalling behavior that would never be tolerated if the person weren't a relative. You DON'T have to put up with horrible people just because you're related to them. If a family member is a crazed ax murderer, or, as is more common, a groper, a liar, a child molester, a thief, a racist or a sexist (just e.g.), there is NO obligation to be anywhere near that person. Yes, that brings consequences. What doesn't?

Re: From My Orbit
by cohaagen

To everyone that keeps recommending Accutane, I really wish that you'd read up on it first. Yes, when it works, it definitely works.

But, here's my own personal Accutane experience -
In high school and college, I knew 7 people who took the drug. Six developed severe depression within weeks of starting. Three of them attempted suicide. Two Succeeded; one on the first attempt and the other on her third. The survivor made three attempts before finally being taken off the medication and then soon returned to her old self - same acne, but she's alive.

There is a very high probabliity of severe side effects with this drug.

What's wrong w/ being an introvert?
by posty
Being introverted is not a personality disorder. I hate it when people describe introversion as a negative thing. I'm introverted and I'm a happy, normal, reasonably well-adjusted person.
Re: From My Orbit
by apropos1

cohaagen "There is a very high probabliity of severe side effects with this drug."

Yes, this is absolutely true. To the extent where very very few dermatologists will even prescribe it anymore out of fear of liability, particularly to women. It's been proven to cause horrible birth defects, and any drug that will do that is one that no-one should be taking other than as a last resort. Even then, I know ppl that would rather deal with the breakouts than being on long-term dangerous maintenance meds.

Re: What's wrong w/ being an introvert?
by apropos1

There's nothing wrong with those of us who do not like to be the center of attention. Being somewhat shy and still happy and content with yourself certainly doesn't indicate personality problems.

But thanks to the obsession with reality TV and american idol, it's perceived as wrong to not want to be in the limelight these days...

Re: From My Orbit
by SpaceCadet
The LW didn't say these people were ax murderers or child molesters, she said one or more of them lifted a small but significant amount of money. Hardly the same class. And while no one should have to hang out with someone they don't like, this is her husband's family, the people who raised him, who grew up with him, who are his nieces and nephews (maybe) and could use his influence. She at least knows to keep her cash in her pocket. There is justice and there is peace in family situations, and sometimes peace is the way to go. Why alienate the whole group if one of the members has, apparently, a problem?
Re: What's wrong w/ being an introvert?
by SpaceCadet

I don't think I said introversion is bad — I certainly don't feel that as a person with some tendencies to introversion and a significant other who is quite deeply introverted. But if your life is being impinged upon because of paralyzing shyness, well, that's a whole 'nother story.

Re: From My Orbit
by epicwaters
Oh my goodness, yes you are soo correct about accutane. I was on the drug for severe acne and I was deeply depressed. I quickly knew what was going on, I stopped the drug and got help. I still have physical problems from the drug. To everyone who says just visting the doctor will help acne, you are wrong. I have tried everything there is, and I am better, but not acne free and got plenty of scars. Some of the drugs are worst then the problem, I'll live with the scars over the pain that drug created
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