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Legal Marriage
by SpectrumRider
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If people's objection to same-sex marriage is that it abandons the gender roles inherent in marriage, then they're closing the barn door after the horse has escaped. Our country now has (finally, and almost without exception) egalitarian marriage laws. The law does not require that either gender in a marriage take on a particular role withing the marriage.

Outlawing same-sex marriage does nothing to "fix" this. If their desire is for the continuation of certain gender roles in marriage, then they should change the laws to insist on those gender roles for heterosexuals - not pick on homosexuals.

When same-sex marriages are legal, people who want to have certain gender roles in their marriages will still be free to have them. Churches will still be free to insist that they will only marry mixed-sex couples. Religions will even be able to instruct their willing members in the proper gender roles within marriage. If that's the kind of thing you like, you don't need to deny gays equal rights under the law to get it.

It's easy to make up rules against gays; they're a minority. The same religions that object to gay sex also object to adultery, but there are no laws against adultery. The Catholic Church is, theoretically, as opposed to divorce and remarriage as it is to homosexuality - but it will pressure its members to vote against gay marriage, and to only support politicians who oppose it, without (in this country) applying any force to get their members to politically attack divorce. But who wants to take on the difficult task of limiting the rights of heterosexuals? Better to have a scapegoat.

Its not about
by degsme
Its not about gender roles in marriage. Its about being uncomfortable with their own physiological reactions to male sexuality. That's the bottom line. Because invariably the DOMA arguements come down to what part of the body gets put in what opening. And the DOMA appologists invariably focus on this much more than anyone else does.
Re: With just one statement you prove that you don't know
by TruettCollins
what you are talking about "but there are no laws against adultery" do a little more study before you make such statements.....
Re: Legal Marriage
by kacrowde
SpectrumRider, that's exactly what I was thinking. I think the author's main point is right: that many opponents of same-sex marriage are actually gender traditionalists trying to cling to a norm that's no longer there. But I agree that opposing same-sex marriage won't re-instate gender norms, and I don't understand what's so threatening about people deciding how they'll partner up for themselves. Hopefully the courts will put a stop to this madness.
There are, at least . . .
by thelyamhound

. . . no federal laws against adultery. And many states don't have laws against adultery per se, but rather statutes that allow adultery to be considered reasonable ground for divorce.

That's all. As you were. :)

Re: There are, at least . . .
by SUPERHEATED
and some states have laws against adultery where it is a crime,,the same with sodomy...
On the Books
by degsme

There are states where the Lege hasn't stripped them from the books.

But those laws have been invalidated by SCOTUS rulings and hence have no legal force of anything.

Re: On the Books
by SUPERHEATED
as long as they remain on the books, they can be enforced...while some may choose to ignor them, they still remain on the books,hence my reply...
Not enforcible
by degsme

No actually that's not the case. Because if they have been invalidated by a SCOTUS ruling, the moment you go to arraignment, the judge tosses it. At which point the target of the arrest turns and sues the state for wrongful arrest.

No, Once invalidated, they are not enforcible except by violating other laws.

Re: Not enforcible
by SUPERHEATED

yes, i know you stand by your mistakes, but there was no ENFORCED ruling..

Huh?
by degsme

Huh?

an invalid law is not a law. That it hasn't been deleted doesn't change that.

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