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I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by JimSanDiego
Lev. 16:22 states homosexuality is an abomination. Lev. 11:10 states that eating shellfish is an abomination. Are there degrees of abomination? Is homosexuality more or less or as equal an abomination as eating shellfish? I hope a Christian answers soon because I'm getting a terrible craving for my delecious shrimp and clam pasta but I don't want to go to hell for it.
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by JimSanDiego
See! I'm so worried l spelled delicious wrong.
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by kirubu
This is off subject, but it would appear that the people of that time and area had access to shellfish. Would there have been some type of health hazard?
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Exodus15:3
If I thought you were serious I might answer. On another off subject subject, man people life has soooo much more joy in the Holy Spirit than without it. People in the Flesh always gotta name call. Gay people live in the Flesh, like all people who do not love Jesus. Believe it or not I am very popular in the local gay communtiy. Gay men want to use me for sex(I'm male).They want to use me like a soda can, cause they are in the Flesh. They are always gossips, carnal, usually with substance abuse problems, and just lacking selfless love. These are all symptoms of the diease know as the Flesh- its a tree and on its branches are selfishness, wrath, idolatry, lust of flesh, etc. The opposite if the Flesh is the Spirit- on its branches are peace, lonsuffering, joy, self-control, selfless love, etc. Please don't write back, I know Christians who are jerks and drunks and blah blah blad and I know gay people who are loving, peaceful, etc No they don't. It's not the same. Even if they exhibit those qualites they will not come close to yielding as much fruit as a Saint of God, who by my definition is just a normal person who as humbled themselves to Holy Ghost. A Christian in the state of grace is the most attractive bastard in the world- we have exactly what they want but can't beg, buy or steal- Perfect peace, joy, and strength of chracter. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :P
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by lovethebomb
Sooo - I guess that means no shellfish.
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Shemhazai

Jim,

I once read a book entitled "What the Bible Really Says about Homosexuality." It was written by a Catholic priest and was strangely apologetic, because it went through and lambasted the traditional "biblical" views about homosexuality, but in the end took a funny stance (it seemed to imply "The bible doesn't actually say it's wrong, but the Catholic church still does and I don't want to be excommunicated, so I'm going to say that I nominally will have to agree with the Church . . . after presenting all this evidence to the contrary)

Anyway, one thing it mentioned here is that the word in Hebrew doesn't actually mean "abomination" but something more akin to "ritual taboo." Totally different meaning. I have no idea what that means to people, but there ya go.

The priest also went on to discuss the translation of the passage, which literally means "you shall not lay layings with a man" or something along those lines. It then went on to suggest that this could mean don't have gay sex in a woman's bed, which does go a long with the whole "separation" theme that pervades Exodus. Or it's possible that the Jews didn't like the fact that many people in the ancient world used gay sex as a form of humiliation for their enemies. Or it could be that it meant actual gay sex, and since the ancient hebrews were nomadic, they probably had a high infant moratlity rate, and viewed all sex that didn't lead towards pregnancy as wasteful.

In the end, I like using a line I saw from a movie once. If you're going to use Leviticus against me, then I'll tell you what. I'll take the sausage out of my mouth, when you take the sausage out of yours.

Double-secret abomination???
by Levon Tostig

What about homosexuals who eat shellfish?

Re: Double-secret abomination???
by Zeugitai
Levon Tostig:

What about homosexuals who eat shellfish?

Double-Hell. Obviously.

Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by JimSanDiego

Exodus15:3:
If I thought you were serious I might answer. On another off subject subject, man people life has soooo much more joy in the Holy Spirit than without it. People in the Flesh always gotta name call. Gay people live in the Flesh, like all people who do not love Jesus. Believe it or not I am very popular in the local gay communtiy. Gay men want to use me for sex(I'm male).They want to use me like a soda can, cause they are in the Flesh. . . . A Christian in the state of grace is the most attractive bastard in the world- we have exactly what they want but can't beg, buy or steal- Perfect peace, joy, and strength of chracter. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. :P
Whoa, you are one sick dude. Yeah, you exhibit "perfect peace, joy and strength of character" my ass. Get help soon!

P. S. I don't smoke so I don't have a pipe.

Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Exodus15:3
Wisdom is know by its children, You are self condemned already.
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Bondsman
Keep up the good fight, Exodus.
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Zeugitai
A moron preaching about wisdom? Irony of ironies, thy name is Exodus.
Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Bondsman

Zeugitai:
A moron preaching about wisdom? Irony of ironies, thy name is Exodus.

Matthew 21:16: And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

You don't need to be sane or Einstein to speak the Truth.

Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Zeugitai

What a stupid passage! Do you honestly take what children say as truth? When a child tells you that he didn't eat the last cookie, and he's got crumbs around his mouth, do you believe him? Children are idiots. Why do you think we put them in school, you jackass?

And what the fuck? You don't need to be sane to speak the truth? Insane people, by definition, do not perceive reality on the normative level! Do you really take advice from paranoid schizophrenics?

Jesus H. Christ! You get your advice from children and crazy people! No wonder you people are so batshit!

Re: I'm worried about this abomination stuff
by Bondsman
Zeugitai:

What a stupid passage! Do you honestly take what children say as truth? When a child tells you that he didn't eat the last cookie, and he's got crumbs around his mouth, do you believe him? Children are idiots. Why do you think we put them in school, you jackass?

And what the fuck? You don't need to be sane to speak the truth? Insane people, by definition, do not perceive reality on the normative level! Do you really take advice from paranoid schizophrenics?

Jesus H. Christ! You get your advice from children and crazy people! No wonder you people are so batshit!

And yet look at the number of expletives and insults in your post. YOU are the one who appears out of control - which is why people don't take your group seriously.

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