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"a cross between a hemroid and a toothache" Beguala on Rahm
by gmajesko
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Definitely a non partisan choice by Obama and guaranteed to get us working together.

Hey, maybe it is just me but it appears that Obama has re-neged on all his promised in just 3 days.

"Maybe It Is Just Me...."
by LeRoy_Was_Here

Yes.

It is just you.

Re: "a cross between a hemroid and a toothache" Beguala on Rahm
by AllThatJazz

What promises has he reneged on?

Re: "a cross between a hemroid and a toothache" Beguala on Rahm
by dbguy
Why do all the republican dopes think that Obama is supposed to roll over and push a republican agenda?
Re: "a cross between a hemroid and a toothache" Beguala on R
by ZiggyTosh
Ha ha. Love the whining. I am so looking forward to eight years of Hannity-ites constantly complaining. This will not be over quickly, gmajesko. And you will not enjoy it. LOL
Obama promised us a rose garden
by gmajesko

He has already said that we must sacrifice and said that there will be false starts and failures.

Wouldn't you call that re-neg?

Remember what Pelosi and Reid promised? Or do you choose to forget that they did not deliver either.

If this was Bush would you be cutting him slack?

Re: Obama promised us a rose garden
by AllThatJazz

When did he promise us a rose garden? Please cite proof or be exposed as the whiny, sore loser, bullshit artist you are.

Re: Obama promised us a rose garden
by Lateralus

You have littered this board in nearly every post. You have an agenda and you have made up your mind on Obama. I'm sure you are not alone.

As for cutting Bush slack, we did. After 9/11 he had a 90% approval rating. He had everything a leader could want. He had a unified nation. And what did he do with it? Used it for political purposes. Allowed the Republican party to shut the Democrats out of any voice for 6 years. He had the ultimate opportunity to be a uniter, like he promised. And he chose a divisive and codescending path. He used the opportunity to promote his agenda and power.

Seven years ago, a vast majority of Americans gave him a better chance than any president in recent memory. And he chose to be partisan and selfish. Hope that answers your question. But I'm quite sure it won't.

Bush won 52-48 in 2004
by gmajesko

Folks rightly did not trust Dems in 04 and were suddenly turned around by 06.

We had six years of growth under W and since 06 we have been going down the toilet under Pelosi and Reid.

57 million people do not love Obama like you do----check out the vote. We, the 57 million will hold Obama accountable as you did for Bush.

Re: Bush won 52-48 in 2004
by Greatbear452

Typical republican troll. Always blame someone else for the problems they create. Note the troll wants Bush to have the credit for growth, but wants Congress to take the blame for the recession.

As if Congress suddenly had magical powers over the economy that instantly caused problems. Powers that the republican controlled Congress didn't have. And that Bush had magical powers prior to 2006, but lost those same magical powers afterwards.

The Six Years Of Growth Under Bush Were An Illusion.
by LeRoy_Was_Here

We are now belatedly discovering that the six years of growth under Bush were an illusion or a mirage, nearly all due to the housing bubble which was bound to implode at some point, and it has now decisively imploded. Fully 40% of the new jobs created between 2001 and 2006 were in the housing industry or related industries, such as the construction industry, the home mortgage industry, the home appraisal industry, etc. Those jobs are now disappearing at a rapid rate.

A few weeks ago, I almost fell out of my chair in shock and astonishment when I saw Alan Greenspam (deliberate misspelling) testify before Congress that 'no one' foresaw that we could have a national decline in home prices. What balderdash! What rot! What baloney! What poppycock! The fact is that we had several well-informed people doing their best to inform the public that the housing bubble was a mirage, and that it was bound to burst eventually, and that when it did, it would cause massive economic pain and dislocation. Among them: Robert Shiller, author of Irrational Exuberance, Nouriel Roubini of the Real Global Economy Monitor, John R. Talbott, author of The Coming Crash in the Housing Market (published in 2003!) and, well, yours truly, as I have been posting and blogging on these issues since 2002. Also The Economist magazine, which was publishing articles back in 2003 on "The Phony Recovery" and has been issuing studies of the global housing bubble almost throughout this decade.

The real problem is that the vast majority of people were simply not paying any attention. They were listening to the wrong people, the real estate 'economists' who were telling people that home prices would continue to go up and up and up and up, and all the various apologists for the Bush adminstration who were trumpeting how 'swell' the economy was doing, even while all the time America was lurching into larger and larger amounts of debt and leverage.

You really need to study the phenomenon of economic bubbles. They have dominated the world economy for the last few decades (the dot.com and stock market bubbles of the 1990s and the global housing bubble of this decade).

The 'growth' in the economy during this decade was nothing more than a gigantic financial bubble.

TSK, Tsk.
by Stop-truth-decay
If your beloved Democrats saw this train wreck coming, why didn't they act? There weren't various bills coming out of the House and Senate trying to rein in the housing bubble. Barney Frank wanted to "roll the dice" with Fannie--as he was infamously quoted in 2003. Remember, who had working majorities in the House and Senate after 2006. I really hope that the left was just as oblivious as the right because the alternative is worse--that they let the economy tank, let hundreds of thousands lose their jobs and homes, just to defeat Bush. If so, then the left really are traitors, as the Bushites claim. I prefer to think "not that smart."
Re: TSK, Tsk.
by Guylinder

Typical republican troll.

Then why engage it?

That only encourages it to continue posting trollish threads, littering up the messageboard. Do you really want to have to scroll through a hundred troll threads in order to find a couple of posts/threads that make sense? That is their goal. To completely disrupt a messageboard with countless ridiculous troll posts until people stop reading it.

As gracious in victory as you were bitter in
by Stop-truth-decay
defeat. Do you really think calling people "trolls" will convince them that you are correct, or for that matter, showa yourself to be anything but an ill mannered- troll.

If you wish to parse this election, it comes down to economics--people are afraid (rightly) and voted their pocket books. It was not an ideological shift. I read an AP poll in today's local paper dissected who had what level of support from which groups who were worried about what issues. It is still the economy, stupid.

Point to all that: Obama has to deliver, and probably in the next 2 years or he'll lose the House. If he loses the House, he'll be blocked from implementing his agenda. I don't think the American public has the inclination to tolerate another 8 or even 4 years of incompetence.

I wish the man good luck--for the good of the country. (For me, personally, it would be a mixed blessing...good for my kids, bad for me). I fear that his instincts are wrong and that the Congress will push THEIR agenda and that, I fear, would be worse than anything Obama would attempt. Pelosi and Reid?!
I Shouldn't Have To Do So, But...
by LeRoy_Was_Here

I shouldn't have to do so, since I have done so before, but I will reiterate that I am NOT a fan of the great majority of the Congressional Democrats. I have a finely developed loathing for Barney Frank, Christopher Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and several others that could be named. In fact, I think the biggest problem facing Obama is not the Republicans, but the pressures he will come under from these Congressional Democrats to pursue policies that are not in the long-run (or even the short-run) interests of our country.

It is why his first hire was Rahm Emanuel, who IS a smart guy who is not afraid to crack the whip. He will be cracking the whip mostly on Democrats and not on Republicans.

And I will also point out that none of what you say obviates the fact that the Bush Administration took extraordinary steps to prevent several state attorneys general, who DID see the problem coming, from cracking down on toxic loans and predatory lending. [As was documented in a very recent issue of Business Week.]

Both parties deservedly share the blame for not anticipating the implosion of the housing bubble and taking steps to deal with the mess. The primary blame for inflating the bubble in the first place, though, goes to Alan Greenspam and the Bush administration and the big Wall Street investment banks.

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