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Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by spiker
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On the stump this week, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has pushed back against Sen. John McCain's description of his tax policies.

"John McCain and Sarah Palin they call this socialistic," Obama continued. "You know I don’t know when, when they decided they wanted to make a virtue out of selfishness."

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Funny that Obama has legislation fighting global poverty which some claim could cost Americans .7% of GDP or some $700 Billion:

“Eliminating global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges we face, with billions of people around the world forced to live on just dollars a day,” said Senator Obama.

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Guess whose family abroad and at home gets no remitances from their multimillionaire, presumptive U.S. President family member? Guess which presidential candidate gave very little to charity (i.e. his church)?

THIS IS AS HIPOCRITICAL AS ANY GAY, BATHROOM STALL SHANANIGANS, REPUBLICAN FAMILY VALUES GUY CAN GET!!!

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by spiker

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Sen. Barack Obama, perhaps giving America a preview of priorities he would pursue if elected president, is rejoicing over the Senate committee passage of a plan that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars in an attempt to reduce poverty in other nations.

The bill, called the Global Poverty Act, is the type of legislation, "We can – and must – make … a priority," said Obama, a co-sponsor.

It would demand that the president develop "and implement" a policy to "cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief" and other programs.

When word about what appears to be a massive new spending program started getting out, the reaction was immediate.

"It's not our job to cut global poverty," said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. "These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot."

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Many Americans were alerted to the legislation by a report from Cliff Kincaid at Accuracy in Media. He published a critique asserting that while the Global Poverty Act sounds nice, the adoption could "result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States" and would make levels "of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations."

He said the legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years he said would amount to $845 billion "over and above what the U.S. already spends."

The plan passed the House in 2007 "because most members didn't realize what was in it," Kincaid reported. "Congressional sponsors have been careful not to calculate the amount of foreign aid spending that it would require."

A statement from Obama's office this week noted the support offered by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

"With billions of people living on just dollars a day around the world, global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges and tragedies the international community faces," Obama said. "It must be a priority of American foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America's standing in the world, this important bill will demonstrate our promise and commitment to those in the developing world.

"Our commitment to the global economy must extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere," he continued.

The bill institutes the United Nations Millennium Summit goals as the benchmarks for U.S. spending.

"It is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day," a statement issued by supporters, including Obama, said.

Specifically, it would "declare" that the official U.S. policy is to eliminate global poverty, that the president is "required" to "develop and implement" a strategy to reach that goal and requires that the U.S. efforts be "specific and measurable."

Kincaid said that after cutting through all of the honorable-sounding goals in the plan, the bottom line is that the legislation would mandate the 0.7 percent of the U.S. GNP as "official development assistance."

"In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that (U.N.) declaration commits nations to banning 'small arms and light weapons' and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention of Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women and the Convention of the Rights of the Child," he said.

Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims.

Kincaid also reported Jeffrey Sachs, who runs the "Millennium Project," confirms a U.N. plan to force the U.S. to pay 0.7 percent of GNP would add about $65 billion a year to what the U.S. already donates overseas.

And the only way to raise that funding, Sachs confirms, "is through a global tax, preferably on carbon-emitting fossil fuels," Kincaid writes.

On the forum run by Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, one writer reported estimates of taxes from 35 cents to $1 dollar a gallon on gasoline would be needed.

"This is disgusting, sickening and angers me to the depths of my soul," the forum author wrote. "Obama wants us to support the world. I wonder how they intend to eliminate poverty. Most of the money always winds up in some dictator hands and in the U.N. coffers."

WND calls to Obama's office, as well as the offices of others who supported the plan, were not successful in obtaining a comment.

Another forum participant said, "Yes, and we should also eliminate sickness of any kind and get rid of poverty as well. Then, too, we should make certain that everyone in the world has equal assets, equal money, a college education, etc… After that, or maybe while we are solving all of the world's little problems, we can take care of the polar bears, eliminate the internal combustion engine, and, and, and… Oh dear, if only we would just go ahead and do all the things the dreamers want us to do. Let's stop using oil and burning coal while we're at it. Then we can make it illegal to be overweight and then we can. ..."

One forum contributor said since the legislation doesn't specifically demand "taxes," but instead leaves the mandatory "implementation" up to the president, "maybe the tooth fairy will leave [this new money] under the president's pillow."

Kincaid reported several more budget-minded senators have put a hold on the legislation "in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote."

The legislation requires the president to do whatever is required to fulfill a strategy that would result in "the elimination of extreme global poverty and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide … who live on less than $1 per day."

It further requires the president not only to accomplish that goal but, "not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this act," to submit a report on "the contributions provided by the United States" toward poverty reduction.

Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by Ubu

So what if he didn't give to his church? Did he give to other charities? I don't know, since you did not provide this information, yet you seem to presume that giving to charity must mean giving to a church organized chairty. Not all charities are religious, and not giving to one's church hardly constitutes being selfish.

Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by richardlee
Wha-what? You think Obama's proposing this poverty legislation out of selfishness? To avoid sending remittances to his African family? Do you even know if his family is poor, or did you just assume they were?
Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by spiker

I'm surprised you consistently don't get it.

1) Any number of journalists have tracked down Obama's family in third world locations and here state side.

2) Economically they aren't doing so hot

3) Economically Obama's income classifies him as in the "selfish" class.

4) Obama is interested in taxing Americans to send money abroad to relieve global poverty (could be a good idea, who really knows though?).

5) And yet poverty in his own family for which $2 a day would go a long way he hasn't addressed (that any reporter has been able to discern).

6) Mexican day workers send remitances home all the time. If they can, and he thinks Americans should fight global poverty, then why doesn't he fight this global poverty by example?

Arithmetic challenged
by degsme

Look , the least you could do is to get your basic arithmetic right even if the rest of your claims are nonsense. Having the Arithmetic wrong just undermines both YOUR credibility (because you clearly didn't THINK about the claims you are regurgitating) as well as the credibility of the claims themselves.

For example. Your top claim was that a $700Bil. program was the same as 0.7% of GDP.

First of, the basic arithmetic: $700,000,000,000/$13,130,000,000,000 = 5.3% of GDP. So you are off by almost a decimal order of magnitude. That's kind of like not being able to tell the difference between someone earning $25,000/yr and someone earning $120,000/yr.

And so we are supposed to take seriously anything else you have to say about the economy?

Come on spiker - World Net Daily? That's about as credible as Pravda. You really need to start to think for yourself. You look foolish when you regurgitate numbers that are not even correct in their basic ARITHMETIC,

Sad really. Borderline pathetic.

Re: Arithmetic challenged
by Mujokan

He's said for years that if his family asks him for money he will give it to them.

But when e.g. the Times went and talked to his half-brother about it, he sounded pretty insulted.

Obama gave almost a quarter million to charity last year.

Thankfully there'll be no need to do this kind of debunking in a few more days.

Re: Arithmetic challenged
by spiker

What's sad is you focused on the math when the point was hypocrisy.

Google : Global Poverty Act to determine what the monies involved are if that is what is important to you.

As for specific figures... WorldNetDaily.com reports: "Those U.N. protocols would make U.S. law on issues ranging from the 2nd Amendment to energy usage and parental rights all subservient to United Nations whims."

"[T]he legislation, if approved, dedicates 0.7 percent of the U.S. gross national product to foreign aid, which over 13 years... would amount to $845 billion 'over and above what the U.S. already spends.'"

Re: Arithmetic challenged
by spiker

Yeah, cause they can just pick up the phone and ask.

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Giving more under times of scrutiny like when running for the presidency does not necessarily pass of as sincere.

Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by richardlee
spiker:

I'm surprised you consistently don't get it.

1) Any number of journalists have tracked down Obama's family in third world locations and here state side.

2) Economically they aren't doing so hot

3) Economically Obama's income classifies him as in the "selfish" class.

4) Obama is interested in taxing Americans to send money abroad to relieve global poverty (could be a good idea, who really knows though?).

5) And yet poverty in his own family for which $2 a day would go a long way he hasn't addressed (that any reporter has been able to discern).

6) Mexican day workers send remitances home all the time. If they can, and he thinks Americans should fight global poverty, then why doesn't he fight this global poverty by example?

This is so full of racist assumption, I don't know where to begin. Is this another one of those "generic taunts"?

Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by spiker

How easy is it to find shelter in the call of racism.


Re: Gay Republican::Family Values as Selfish Democrat::Remitance
by richardlee
spiker:

What's sad is you focused on the math when the point was hypocrisy.

I think degsme's point was your hypocrisy. Which, yeah.

Obama's dad got a PhD in the US and was a major economic adviser in Kenya. His stepmother lives in England. His half-brother lives in Washington, where he works as an accountant. His step-grandmother and some of his other relations live in a rural village near Lake Victoria, but by all accounts they like it there well enough. They're not in some dire need of remittances that only Barack can give them, even if they do live in another country.

Actually, the poorest Obama relative I can find is his 'Auntie Zeituni', who lives in local authority housing in -- wait for it -- Boston.

Hahaha
by spiker
You're clueless.
Re: Hahaha
by richardlee

Let's check. You think Obama should send remittances to his relatives like Mexicans send remittances to theirs, or he should shut up about international aid.

Does that cover it? Have I got all the salient points?

Re: Hahaha
by spiker

What a willful disregard for the point.

Obama wants to give tax payers' money to a cause there is no proof that he has personally contributed to. And then he calls those not interested in paying more taxes selfish.

I can see the irony when Craig gets caught in a stall. I see it here too.

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