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One Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by run75441

"Both give rise to a systematic aversion to government regulation of private economic activity. For him, recognition that the workings of such markets sometimes destroy asset values, jobs, or even entire industries is still not ground for interference in the economy in the aggregate, or with individual transactions to which two or more private parties voluntarily agree."

In a "state of shocked disbelief," the maestro of the US economy testified to Congress that he also "contributed" to the economy's recent downfall; but, but, he did not cause it. He testified that "he made a mistake in believing that banks operating in their own self interest would also protect their shareholder and depositor’s interests."

"My Question for you is simple. Were you wrong? (Waxman); "Well partially," the former Fed Chairman answered. Even as billions of dollars are pumped into the economy to maintain liquidity and prevent the nation and the world from plunging into a depression, Greenspan will not admit his turning a blind eye to Derivatives, telling the world to look elsewhere to invest, and keeping Fed interest rates at 1% for too long as he led the largest economy of the world off a cliff. Hard to belief this testimony and his philosophy, it is ok to have these types of recessions as long as there is no regulation to prevent them from occurring as a result of this market.

April 1998 brought Greenspan, Rubin, and Levitt together, Wall Street’s finest, to face off against Brooksley Born, the chairman for the Commodities Futures Trade Commission and a former Washington attorney. On the short list to become Attorney General in 1992 and being passed by, she accepted an appointment to the CFTC. Her interest in the regulation of derivatives was to shed light on the shadow markets of derivatives, a financial instrument deriving their value from bonds and being a cushion or gamble against risk. Millions of them existed in 1998; but, their was no clearing house for them to give them the normal transparency of the stock market nor was there any place holding the collateral in case of default. The three caballeros were there to tell Born to back off.

Born's position was to give transparency to a class of derivatives tied to fluctuations in interest and currency. The lack of information on these financial instruments allowed traders to take positions in the market place potentially threatening it or the economy without federal regulatory knowledge. The same economic brain trust of the US economy that made its wealth and power from Wall Street decried Born's enthusiastic testimony for regulatory authority before Congress as being misguided and unnecessary in light of a market place guided by professionals. Deputy Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers described her efforts before Congress as "casting a shadow of regulatory uncertainty over an otherwise thriving market."

The powers of the three did not persuade Born to give up her push to have oversight of the shadowy Derivatives Market. Publicly they proposed splitting up the responsibilities of the CFTC between the Fed, the Treasury, and the SEC. 17 times Born testified in front of Congress giving them the same message of danger and also compromising that the oversight would apply to new derivatives and the old ones would be left as they were. Wall Street was afraid that the courts could nullify contracts leaving the one or both parties without recourse in case of default. Pointing to the "Long Term Capital Management" fund failure as an example of what could take place, she warned:

"'This episode should serve as a wake-up call about the unknown risks that the over-the-counter derivatives market may pose to the U.S. economy and to financial stability around the world.' She spoke of an 'immediate and pressing need to address whether there are unacceptable regulatory gaps.'"

LTCM over leveraged on the derivative side of its books and when calls were made for more collateral, it collapsed leaving a $4 billion debt. "The off-balance sheet leverage was 100 to 1 or 200 to 1 -- I don't know how to calculate it," Peter Fisher, a senior Fed official, told Greenspan and other Fed governors at a Sept. 29, 1998, meeting, according to the transcript.

Congress reacted to the failure of LTCM and Born's push by placing a 6 month moratorium on any actions by the CFTC to regulate the Derivatives Market. Born was isolated by the moratorium. A Presidential Working Commission (Born was a member) report pointed out the dangers of over leveraging by LTCM and called for financial reporting by brokerages "unregulated and off books affiliates" to the government the extent of their financial risk. Greenspan dissented on the implementation of the recommendation.

In May 1999, Born resigned and left the CFTC. Citing that any regulation by the CFTC, Greenspan, Levitt and Rubin put forth that such regulation would hamper the developments of such markets in the US and create legal issues. In June 2000, Senator Gramm of Texas called for regulatory relief by sponsoring a bill that eliminated any SEC or CFTC regulatory capability of the Derivatives market. In 2000, the Gramm sponsored Commodity Futures Modernization Act passed as a rider to an omnibus spending bill. It barred the SEC and the CFTC from regulating the Derivative Market leaving the SEC with the capability to investigate for insider trading and a provision for a market run clearing house. The clearing house was little more than a paper tiger.

It is interesting to watch Greenspan sit or stand in front of Congress and refuse to accept more of the responsibility for the economic crisis he created by leaving interest rates at 1% for too long, encouraging subprime lending (the bulk of which went to non-home buying and Alt-A loans) and then raising interest rates shortly thereafter, and by blocking any type of regulation or oversight of the volatile and speculative Derivative Market that was little better than placing bets. The bulk of today's issues lie with the maestro of the economy Alan Greenspan. If the crisis was not so serious to the "Joe-Six-Packs," the small business "Joe-the-Plumbers," the Suzie Housewives, and the "Brenda-Business-Women of the world, I am sure Brooksley Born would have a grin on her face.

Some Comments from some of the characters who helped bring about this crisis:

- "Greenspan shot back that CFTC regulation was superfluous; existing laws were enough.’Regulation of derivatives transactions that are privately negotiated by professionals is unnecessary,' he said. 'Regulation that serves no useful purpose hinders the efficiency of markets to enlarge standards of living.'"

- "Senator Gramm opened a June 21, 2000 hearing calling for 'regulatory relief:' 'I think we would do well to remember the Lincoln adage that to ask a society to live under old and outmoded laws -- and I think you could say the same about regulation -- is like asking a man to wear the same clothes he wore when he was a boy.'"

- "Levitt's thoughts: 'In fairness, while Summers and Rubin and I certainly gave in to this, we were not in the same camp as the Fed,' he said.’The Fed was really adamantly opposed to any form of regulation whatsoever. I guess if I had to do it over again, I certainly would have pushed for some way to give greater transparency to products which turned out to be injurious to our markets.'"

- "Goldschmid, the former SEC commissioner and the agency's general counsel under Levitt: 'In hindsight, there's no question that we would have been better off if we had been regulating derivatives -- and had a clearinghouse for it.'"

- "On Sept. 26, 2008 SEC Chairman Christopher Cox shut down the program. Cox, a longtime champion of deregulation, said in a statement posted on the SEC's Web site, 'the last six months

As culled from: <link> “What Went Wrong” Washington Post,” October 15, 2008

Re: One Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by MaryAnne

In other words,Greenspan,Levitt and Summers had no idea of what they were doing.

Neither does Congress now. Instead of listening to those who know they run about like chickens when things collapse and not until then.

Very good post!

Re: One Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by julieboomer
ah, Greenspan finally speaking words we could understand and it drove the stake in the heart of his mentor, Ayn Rand. thank god....finally.
Should Read
by run75441

Christopher Cox's point (last line) should read:

- "On Sept. 26, 2008 SEC Chairman Christopher Cox shut down the program. Cox, a longtime champion of deregulation, said in a statement posted on the SEC's Web site, ‘the last six months have made it abundantly clear that voluntary regulation does not work.’"

today Wall Street is saying
by daystar

that the otc derivatives should at least be listed with government, so that we know what the market looks like... and the parties entering into the trade know what it looks like. That much should have been a no brainer.

derivatives expanded the money supply exponentially... setting up a severe contraction.

Re: One Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by firstphone

The problem is not ten years old but 30 years old.I'm sure the crash of 29 had many years developing too even though the roaring 20's is quite a catchphrase.

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Re: One Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by JackD
A lot of the problem was the "system" allowing so-called investment institutions to gamble in lieu of investing. When derivatives are created betting on the viability of of bundled mortgages in which the parties have no actual "insurable interest", the result is a world stage casino.
Crash of 1929
by Fritz Gerlich

Its origins could not fairly be traced back before 1918 (except in the general sense that World War I was the biggest single thing to set the stage for the two decades that followed). The "Roaring Twenties" really did see most of the phenomena responsible for the crash itself, though certain other Depression triggers, such as the Smoot-Hawley tariff came slightly later. Essentially, the international trading and banking system that had worked very well before WWI could not be reconstructed after the war ended, and industrial nations began practicing what came to be called "economic nationalism."


Leave it to the mormons
by biteoftheweek

to fuck up everything

<link>

http://mormonsfor8.com/

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I got this information a while back from a Mormon friend in california. It is a memo to the leaders at local branches

DO NOT READ, COMMENT ON IN SACRAMENT MEETINGS, OR PRINT IN WEEKLY
PROGRAMS: (note from bite: obviously they did not want this out in the open at all)

PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING POINTS IN RELIEF SOCIETY AND PRIESTHOOD OPENING
EXERCISES THIS SUNDAY, AUGUST 10, ONLY.

1. The First Presidency's letter dated June 20, 2008, to all Church members
in California states, "we ask that you do all you can to support the
proposed constitutional amendment by donating of your means and time

2. In connection with the Proposition 8 campaign's grassroots efforts, the
supporting coalition, of which the Church is a member, will hold three
walk/phone days
to help generate voter support on August 16, 23 and September 6. We invite
everyone who can do so to please participate either by "walking" that is,
visiting homes door to door in assigned neighborhoods, or by phoning
>neighbors in specific assigned neighborhoods, for three hours each of these
three days.

3. Church members who have been asked to help with the campaign will be
calling you at your homes to officially ask you to help and give you
further
information about where and what time to meet this Saturday

4. They will also ask you to bring a friend from another faith to assist.
We, as a Bishopric, ask you to please participate in this important
endeavor.
The First Presidency also stated that "our best efforts are required to
preserve the sacred institution of marriage."


Forwarded from Long Beach:

"Just FYI...in Long Beach East Stake the stake president and the stake
patriarch (who is also a law professor and a judge) spoke at the Atherton
Ward at 9:00 a.m. and the El Dorado (YSA) Ward at 1 p.m. to remind members
why they need to support Prop 8 in November. I attended both sacrament
meetings. In Long Beach East Stake, to protect the church's tax exempt
status, they will not be doing grassroots organizing or collecting donations
in favor of prop 8 on church property (although donation forms will be
available in foyers). However, members will receive invitations to attend a
dinner at the home of one of the members of the bishopric. There they will
receive information on how to form a grassroots effort, and they will be
asked to donate large amounts of money to the cause."

Re: Crash of 1929
by firstphone

I saw warren buffett on charlie rose several months ago before the meltdown and he was calling for tariffs on chinese goods..haa..buffett has made more money than can be imagined after reagan.viet nam probably caused the problems carter and reagan faced.I'm pretty sure after reagan and breton woods effects we began to print money with reckless abandon.

The computer may be blamed for our current problem because it is instant communication worldwide allowing gambling on an international scale.

Hitler was punished by the world after ww1 and it had a terrible effect on all of us including ww2.

Re: One Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by run75441

First:

For some reason many expect me to recreate the wheel when I post on particular topics. I can't, as many people of The Fray get lost within the first or second paragraph from boredom and I have probably posted on the other parts in detail previously and/or elsewhere. Many of the BOTFers do not wander far from it and they miss many of the gold nuggets that are scattered amongst the other threads (TheBottomLine, etc). I can not possibly post on the last 30 years with any depth and meaning to it unless you wish to have the Socio-Economics History "Cliff Notes" from 1978 forward which would be devoid of much of the detail that are critical to this time period. As it is I slight the topic significantly when I do post and I could easily rattle off pages; but then "First," I would feel fairly confident many would not read it. These other posts from others and also myself may interest you though:

  • <link> "The Selling Out of America" and this one also:
  • <link> "Meet The US Presidents." In this thread, pay particular attention to IWonder's comments as IWonder is a banking analyst and gives some excellent insight to today's issues.
  • <link> "Root Cause Myths" A new poster and economist by the name of Barry Payne.

If your point is the CRA and minorities caused todays issues, the bulk of the subprime loans were not made to minorities and the CRA did rather well until this administration and/or time period. In the other posts you will gain an insight as to the demise of Glass-Steagall starting in 1986-7 by Greenspin. You will also learn how some banks reacted to subprimes and the spin off subsidiaries that originated the loans off balance sheet so they would not have to carry the liability (Citibank and Associates). Barry touches on the morality in a nice summary of the history and arrives at a similar conclusion as myself. I hope he hangs around.

Happy reading

Re: today Wall Street is saying
by run75441

Days:

I beleive Brooksley Born came to the same conclusion as we did and long before the train ran us over.

Another Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by watt4bob

Paul Wellstone;

(With thanks to CalGeorge at Firedoglake.com)

"Here he is on the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act (responsible, in large part, for our current crisis):

“This bill, S. 900, would aggravate a trend toward economic concentration that endangers not only our economy, but, I think, more importantly, it endangers our democracy. S. 900 would make it easier for banks, securities firms, insurance companies, and, in some cases, commercial firms, to merge into gigantic new conglomerates that would dominate the financial industry.
[…]
This is the wrong kind of modernization because it fails to put in place adequate regulatory safeguards for these new financial giants whose failure could jeopardize the entire economy. It is the wrong kind of modernization because taxpayers could be stuck with the bill if these conglomerates become “too big to fail.” We have heard that before–“too big to fail.”
[…]
I think we are flirting with disaster. We are strolling casually along the upper decks of the Titanic, oblivious to the dangers ahead of us.” "

Thanks for the reminder.
by Fritz Gerlich
May Coleman's blood anoint his grave.
Re: Another Person Who Almost Made a Difference
by run75441

Bob:

The issue had more to do with Gramm's act in 2000 restricting regulation of Derivatives than the repeal of Glass-Steagall. Glass did break down the barriers between Wall Street and Banking; but, Gramm, Levitt, Rubin, and "I made a mistake" Greenspan kept the CFTC or anyone from regulating Derivatives.

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