It does to me...does it matter to you? Let's say that we get irrefutable proof that he is a natural Kenyan and not a natural American. Will the law be overturned? At this point I would say that such a discovery would be nothing more than a loser's lament, which brings us back to rule of law and the deterioration of same.

What say you?

and that's the part I'm voting for.

... is a robot sent from the future to kill Sarah Connor? It does to me. I wouldn't vote for a Terminator robot.

If we had evidence that McCain was not a citizen, then it might matter. Otherwise, what we're talking about is rumours and counterfactuals, and we might as well be discussing the absurd scenario of McCain as a Terminator robot.

I mean, If we had evidence that Obama was not a citizen, then it might matter. It's my editor's day off.

Only if I could not vote for him twice.

If it were certifiably proven true, after an if he did win the election, he would not be able to take office. O'biden would step into the presidential slot.

Jack

Of course it matters. The constitution would have to be amended in order to allow Obama into office, and I really don't see that happening.

Plus, then that'd open the door for the Governator (Presidentator?) in 2012. Scary thought, if you ask me.....

If you think it matters, and the below article reson ates in any way with your moral tenets, then it does matter...because as a non-citizen, or as a foreign national, or even illegal alien becoming Commander in Chief and running the US military, you need to be aware that the US as it is now known to the millions, will be a different country. You can be sure that axis of evil dictators to this country will be welcomed INTO this nation, with a State Dinner...and all the diplomatic hoopla that a non-citizen would bestow on foreigners coming in to this country. LETTER HILLARY'S LAWYER SENT REGARDING CAUCUS FRAUD!!! October Surprise: Clinton Campaign Drops a Dime on Barack Obama

Clinton campaign alleges “voter suppression, intimidation and harassment systematically engaged in by the Obama campaign.” It’s not just about ACORN any more.

When Hillary Clinton conceded the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama–possibly under duress from Obama’s cohorts and party leaders–she was probably supposed to have removed from the Internet all damning statements that she and her campaign had made about Barack Obama. Unfortunately for Barry, a letter from her campaign counsel, which is still online at <link> is about to become the dreaded October Surprise. (A backup copy is now at <link> This extremely damning letter not only reinforces what is being said about ACORN, but extends allegations of election irregularities to Barack Obama’s own campaign.

There is no place in the American electoral process for the types of voter suppression, intimidation, and harassment systematically engaged in by the Obama campaign, its allies and supporters.

RYAN, PHILLIPS, UTRECHT 5. MACKINNON
ATTORNEYS AT LAW
’ Nonlawyer Partner
1133 Connecticut Avenue, N.W. Suite 300 Washington, D.C. 20036
(202) 293-1177 Facsimile (202) 293-3411
January 23, 2008
Jill Derby, Chair Nevada State Democratic Party 1210 South Valley View Road Suite 114 Las Vegas, NV 89102

Dear Chair Derby:

I write on behalf of Hillary Clinton for President (”the Committee”) in regard to the January 19, 2008 Nevada Democ-ratic Caucus. The Committee is aware of a letter addressed to you today from the Obama for America campaign requesting an inquiry into the conduct of the caucuses. The Committee shares the Obama campaign’s concern that full participation in the democratic process may have been compromised by the substantial number of irregularities occurring at the caucuses, and we fully support a complete inquiry by the Nevada State Democratic Party (the ”Party”) into all caucus improprieties.

This letter is not intended as a response to the Obama campaign’s letter. However, in the interest of a complete record, and in contrast to the alleged minor procedural problems noted by the Obama campaign, the Committee wishes to bring to your attention information we have received evidencing a premeditated and predesigned plan by the Obama campaign to engage in systematic corruption of the Party’s caucus procedures. Compounding this blatant distortion of the caucus rules was an egregious effort by the Obama campaign to manipulate the voter registration process in its own favor, thereby disenfranchising countless voters. Finally, the Committee has received a vast number of reliable reports of voter suppression and intimidation by the Obama campaign or its allies.

The Committee had 30 phone lines on Saturday to receive calls in its Las Vegas offices. These lines rang continuously from early morning until well after the caucuses concluded with reports from people who were victimized and who observed irregularities. The phone lines were so over-whelmed that many callers resorted to calling individual Committee staff cell phones to report that they could not get through. The Committee also received many similar calls at its national headquarters.

The Committee is confident that any investigation into the conduct of the caucuses will be thorough, fair and in the interest of insuring that future Party caucuses will be as open and democratic as possible.

Systematic Corruption of the Party’s Caucus Procedures
The Committee received substantially similar reports of improprieties of such a number as to leave no conclusion but that the Obama campaign and its allies and supporters engaged in a planned effort to subvert the Party’s caucus procedures to its advantage. For example:

þ Preference cards were premarked for Obama.

þ Clinton supporters were denied preference cards on the basis that none were left, while Obama supporters at the same caucus sites were given preference cards.

þ Caucus chairs obviously supporting Obama:
o Deliberately miscounted votes to favor Senator Obama.
o Deliberately counted unregistered persons as Obama votes.
o Deliberately counted young children as Obama votes.
o Refused to accept preference cards from Clinton supporters who were at the caucus site by noon on the ground that the cards were not filled out fast enough.
o Told Clinton supporters to leave prior to electing delegates.

þ Clinton supporters who arrived late were turned away from the caucus, while late Obama supporters were admitted to the caucus.

Manipulation of the Voter Registration Process
Numerous reports received by the Committee demonstrate a concerted effort on the part of the Obama campaign and its supporters to prevent eligible voters supporting a candidate other than Senator Obama from caucusing. The Obama supporters complained of were acting in positions of authority at the caucus sites. Some of these reports are as follows:

þ Obama supporters wrongly informed Clinton supporters that they were not allowed to participate in the caucus if their names were not on the voter rolls. However, Obama supporters whose names did not appear on the voter rolls were permitted to register at the caucus site.

þ Obama supporters falsely informed Clinton supporters that no registration forms were available for them to register to vote at the caucus site.

þ Obama supporters wrongly told Clinton supporters who were attempting to caucus at the wrong precinct that they could not caucus at that site, while simultaneously permitting Obama supporters at the wrong precinct to participate.

þ Obama supporters were allowed to move to the front of the registration and sign-in line.

Voter Suppression and Intimidation

The Committee received a substantial number of disturbing reports from voters that they had been subject to harassment, intimidation or efforts to prevent them from voting. Some of the most egregious of these complaints are described below:

þ Voters at at-large caucus sites were informed that those sites were for Obama supporters only.

þ Clinton supporters at at-large caucus sites were told that their managers would be watching them while they caucused.

þ Workers were informed that their supervisors kept lists of Clinton and Obama supporters, and were told that they could not caucus unless their name was on the list of Obama supporters.

þ Many Clinton supporters were threatened with employment termination or other discipline if they caucused for Senator Clinton.

þ Workers were required to sign a pledge card to support Obama if they wanted time off to participate in the caucus.
þ Workers at one casino were offered a lavish lunch and permitted to attend and register to vote only if they agree to support Obama.

The complaints summarized above represent only a small sample of the complaints received by the Committee. With respect to each of these complaints and many more, the Committee has the names and phone numbers of those reporting these incidents and the specific precinct numbers where the incidents occurred. Upon request the Committee will share these with the Party with appropriate safeguards to protect these individuals from reprisal. On the whole, these reports show a troubling effort by the Obama campaign and its allies and supporters to advance their own campaign at the expense of the right of all Nevada Democrats to participate in the democratic process in a free, fair and open manner.

Senator Clinton and the Committee are wholly committed to ensuring that every eligible voter has his or her vote cast and counted. There is no place in the American electoral process for the types of voter suppression, intimidation and harassment systematically engaged in by the Obama campaign, its allies and supporters.
Sincerely,
/v
Lyn Utrecht Counsel Hillary Clinton for President

Dear God. The man could only manage 9,000 votes from Democrats. He's been locked in the same basement that Gore used to contain Bill Daley during the recount. He is a certifiable idiot whose lifestyle is saved only by a sinecure.

President Biden. Oof.

to scare up those idiots in Congress!

Sure, he was born to two US citizens in good standing, but born on the canal. Like Moses.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

By that reckoning, Bill Clinton declares Obama to be qualified to be president, and who are we to argue?

You raise an interesting point, however. Nobody but the moron class dispute that the press has been in the tank for Obama from the beginning to a laughable degree. Whether Hillary or McCain, nobody is allowed to touch him without genuine heartfelt outrage. How dare you! Leave Obama alone! He's our precioussss!

When he gets into office, will this continue? They'll have to criticize someone, and there won't be many Republicans left. Somehow the image of an anti-Obama press frenzy warms the cold and scabby cockles of what remains of my heart.

McCain's liquid metal? Surely he could've used that to his advantage at some point.

his election. After his election, however, I'm not sure that any mechanism would require or even permit his ouster post hoc; nor would the benighted public likely howl suffuciently to neuter his mandate. That's what the Obama people are counting on, if there is in fact any legs to his apparently deficient live birth recordation on Hawaii. Heck, that strategy worked for the Edwards campaign until the Enquirer arrived, and they don't have their sights on Obama.

I do not endorse McCain....I understand that to a partisan mind that all the universe is reduced to a choice between either and or however I regret to inform you that this is not the way I think.

With the variety of contortions and shapes the Polyamnemetal-alloybot was wont to create the possibilities for one with a perverse lean could be quite limitless.

:)

I don't agree. Say it was determined that Obama is indeed not an American citizen after he is elected. He would not be allowed to take office. As it stands now, with a Republican president, the AG would bring suit to bar Obama's being sworn in. The Supreme Court would rule that he could not be sworn in. And the VP Elect would take the oath. I think that is what would happen.

Now, it might go to the congress, to the house, and if a majority Democrat House decide to swear him in anyway, the president could block it. In another scenario, if therewere a partisan president who would not stop the constitutionally banned president elect from taking office...then at that point, our democracy is defunct and I expect the military would move on Washington.

Many Americans would take up arms and there would be fighting in the streets.

A more likely outcome is this: If it turns out to be true, irrefutably that Obama is not an American citizen, after he is elected and before he is sworn in, I think he would simply step aside and Biden would become president. The Democrats know they cannot win a street fight...hell, they don't even believe in guns....and I have one in every room.

Jack