WASHINGTON -- The National Rifle Association endorsed John McCain for president Thursday, saying McCain "has more than two decades of pro-gun and pro-hunting votes in Congress" and slamming Barack Obama for "his radical record of opposition to our constitutional rights."

"Hillary was right: You can't trust Obama with your guns," says the NRA political action committee's ad, which appears in USA Today on Thursday.

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No gun law can keep a gun out of the hands of a criminal.Just makes it harder for people who want a gun for recreational purposes.

Recreational and Personal Defense!!!

It's an American right and tradition.

Probably frowned upon in Indonesia and Kenya.

TickleBob:

WASHINGTON -- The National Rifle Association endorsed John McCain for president Thursday, saying McCain "has more than two decades of pro-gun and pro-hunting votes in Congress" and slamming Barack Obama for "his radical record of opposition to our constitutional rights."

"Hillary was right: You can't trust Obama with your guns," says the NRA political action committee's ad, which appears in USA Today on Thursday.

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Let's see if I understand you. First you claim that Obama is tied to a "domestic terrorist" but then say he's anti gun, right?

Do you realize how ignorant and desperate you look?

Trying wandering into a Massai karall and start kicking the natives around, to find out how they feel about self defence. Try the same in an Indonesian Kampung - RIP !!

That they can defend themselves without firearms too.....

I am not against firearms, but many will say I am. I see a time and a place for them and I don't see them like a chicken in every pot, they are for people who have a need for them and have been well trained in how to use them. No one is defenseless without a firearm and yes the old "you wouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight" thing has gotten old eepecially when one considers they would not bring a handgun to a tank fight. Yes in both situations there are ways to beat the gun with the knife and the tank wih the gun, but its all realtive and its all about escalation.

I go back to the number of times I almost had my head shot off by the "experienced" Dick Cheney gun handlers of the world. It's kind of like the financial mess we're in now. 'Don't worry, I know how to use this thing safely' In the book of Famous last words.

Okay, fire away, I'm just a Maverick, what can I say? I still think Amendment II and all the background leading up to it speaks more to what Switzerland does regarding mandatory conscription, training and keeping those arms at the ready, than an individual's right to bear a firearm in self-defense. 4 out of 9 SCOTUS justices agree. The challenge now comes to the 5 to drop any and all infringements on any and all arms or to defend limitations on arms in the same way as those that have been retained in Washington D.C.

If one side arms themselves the other will too. If one goes to a better means to thwart the defense or offense of the first means, the other side will too. The objective is not solved, unless the objective is arms escalation.

I thought John McCain was against lobbyists? Some Maverick he is.

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TickleBob:

WASHINGTON -- The National Rifle Association endorsed John McCain for president Thursday, saying McCain "has more than two decades of pro-gun and pro-hunting votes in Congress" and slamming Barack Obama for "his radical record of opposition to our constitutional rights."

"Hillary was right: You can't trust Obama with your guns," says the NRA political action committee's ad, which appears in USA Today on Thursday.

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Let's see if I understand you. First you claim that Obama is tied to a "domestic terrorist" but then say he's anti gun, right?

Do you realize how ignorant and desperate you look?

Actually the reverse is true. Every terrorist would love for "average American" to not have any weapons at all. Every burguler would love to know that every home he enters will be "gun free".

Gun control only puts guns in the hands of criminals and terrorist. HOWEVER... Willie Ayers favorite weapon was just like the terrorist in Iraq... A BOMB.

Wulk:

Trying wandering into a Massai karall and start kicking the natives around, to find out how they feel about self defence. Try the same in an Indonesian Kampung - RIP !!

Wulkysmooky, we are talking about gun possession rights of USA citizens, not European, Afros or anywhere else.

Did you ever look up our agreement with the UNITED NATIONS online like I suggested? Go to UN SECURITY AGREEMENTS, UNITED STATES, and see where long ago our 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHTS were signed over to the EIGHTH WORLD POWER, the UN! Who was president when that happened TB? Oh no!

Seasoldier/The hidden course of deception and non-representation catches up!

TickleBob:

Actually the reverse is true. Every terrorist would love for "average American" to not have any weapons at all. Every burguler would love to know that every home he enters will be "gun free".

Gun control only puts guns in the hands of criminals and terrorist. HOWEVER... Willie Ayers favorite weapon was just like the terrorist in Iraq... A BOMB.

Terrorists couldn't care less as to whether Americans own weapons or not. Look at how many bombings that have occurred here in the U.S. with the Seconed Amdt. in place. McVeigh was able to destroy a Federal bldg. with weapons all aroiund.

"Gun control only puts guns in the hands of criminals and terrorist."

You knew that was an incorrect statement when you wrote it, didn't you? Just like you know that, when you look at Obama's voting record on gun control, he is not anti gun ownership.

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TickleBob:

Actually the reverse is true. Every terrorist would love for "average American" to not have any weapons at all. Every burguler would love to know that every home he enters will be "gun free".

Gun control only puts guns in the hands of criminals and terrorist. HOWEVER... Willie Ayers favorite weapon was just like the terrorist in Iraq... A BOMB.

Terrorists couldn't care less as to whether Americans own weapons or not. Look at how many bombings that have occurred here in the U.S. with the Seconed Amdt. in place. McVeigh was able to destroy a Federal bldg. with weapons all aroiund.

"Gun control only puts guns in the hands of criminals and terrorist."

You knew that was an incorrect statement when you wrote it, didn't you? Just like you know that, when you look at Obama's voting record on gun control, he is not anti gun ownership.

Criminals will get guns; controls don' t keep guns out of criminal hands.

I'm not the NRA, but I've pointed out that they (representing many gun owners and their rights in America) have singled Obama out as dangerous to preserving that right. Take your case up with the NRA.

have guns.

Just those who will disobey gun laws.

Just like Obama.

gun crime in Switzerland?

TickleBob:

Criminals will get guns; controls don' t keep guns out of criminal hands.

I'm not the NRA, but I've pointed out that they (representing many gun owners and their rights in America) have singled Obama out as dangerous to preserving that right. Take your case up with the NRA.

Yes, criminals will be able to get guns, but if there are stronger laws to obtain them, then there wouldn't be as many on the street. If you're not a criminal, then you should be able to buy guns. It just might take longer.

btw, the NRA has had trouble with McBush also. He favored closing the gun show loophole that made it easier for criminals to buy and sell guns and they didn't like that. What does that say about the NRA and their relationship with him? Why would the NRA be agianst a law that would prevent guns to be bought and sold by criminals? Profit? I think so.

BBC

"Instead of a standing, full-time army, the country requires every man to undergo some form of military training for a few days or weeks a year throughout most of their lives."

"Between the ages of 21 and 32 men serve as frontline troops. They are given an M-57 assault rifle and 24 rounds of ammunition which they are required to keep at home."

Sounds suspiciously like a well regulatred Milltia. What do you think?

Switzerland has been around for how long?

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"Some pro-gun groups argue that Switzerland proves their contention that there is not necessarily a link between the availability of guns and violent crime in society. "

Low crime

"But other commentators suggest that the reality is more complicated."

"Switzerland is one of the world's richest countries, but has remained relatively isolated."

"It has none of the social problems associated with gun crime seen in other industrialised countries like drugs or urban deprivation."

"Despite the lack of rigid gun laws, firearms are strictly connected to a sense of collective responsibility."

"From an early age Swiss men and women associate weaponry with being called to defend their country."

What a novel idea, defend your country, not worry about defending yourself from your fellow countrymen and women. Collective responsibility? What's that?

U.S. Constitution:

Scope of Legislative Power

Article 1 Section 8:

"To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; "

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Amendment II

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Militia Act of 1792

"1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes."