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Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Kazillions
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I don't trust any of the polls, nor the polling organizations that run them.

Why?

Because there are too many variables and I do not believe they have the statistics of human behavior down to a science as much as they think they do. This is not Asimov's Foundation series where the behavior of masses of people can be predicted with incredible precision.

Zogby today says Obama's up 1.9%, well within the margin of error. Gallup says Obama's up 9%.

That is hilarious.

I've been saying for a long time, forget the polls, trust your common sense and what you know to be true. Look at some of the past elections and also look at the simplest facts that can be expressed easily to the public at large. That is how you can predict who will win this race. And, I've been saying this for some time, McCain has it in the bag.

Just some, but not all, of the reasons why:

1. The American people, when they know it's time to pull the lever, will realize that they could hand the Democrats total control over both houses of Congress and the White House at the same time. If the situation were reversed they'd probably be equally uncomfortable. But this is exacerbated by the fact that Americans are realizing this Fannie Mae Barney Frank et al financial fiasco is at the very least the fault of both parties equally, but most probably more the fault of Democrats entrenched in power. Therefore, as much as the knee jerk response for a week was to lay some backlash at the Republican candidates' feet, this will have settled the other way by Nov. 4.

2. Obama at his very best, with the overwhelming support of a media totally in the bag for him, just barely squeaked by his opponent in the primary, Hillary Clinton. His campaign is not nearly as effective as liberals want you to believe. He raised an enormous amount of money and has thousands upon thousands of volunteers out in the country, all trained according to the methods he knows. He is running 3x the television advertising as John McCain, and has bought up a cable station to run a rolling two minute ad, over and over and over again. This is either what is barely keeping his head above water, or it is turning off voters because people are sick of having him and his creepy trained volunteers getting into their faces.

3. His math doesn't add up. He is lying about cutting taxes, and the American people do not believe a Democrat who runs on a campaign of tax cuts. The American people understand that the rich need to pay more, but they are not ignorant to the fact that the rich already pay far, far, far more than the average citizen. We are not a nation of thieves. There's only so much we can stand government confiscation before we become revolted. And we realize that the government spends money less wisely than the people who earned it and deserve to keep it.

4. He has absolutely zero experience. His foreign policy can be summed up by the act of getting it absolutely wrong ... as wrong as wrong can get, and then reversing his opinion three days later and saying, "Yeah, what McCain said." The few things on which he has stuck to his guns are truly dangerous for our national security. He refuses to admit the surge worked and was the right thing to do, he refuses to admit it was wrong to say he would talk to Ahmadinejad unconditionally, and he continues to telegraph his punches and kill his ability to engage in real diplomacy with that nuclear armed country, Pakistan. He's shoved his foot in his mouth so many times with such potentially disastrous consequences that Americans will not elect him. His entire experience as a leader is in running a political campaign.

5. John McCain is a war hero with decades of experience. He does not believe in confiscating too much money from the private sector in order to give it to bureaucrats who will spend it less wisely than private citizens, but he does have a record of bashing heads with President Bush and even going against his own heroes when he sincerely disagrees with them. He has a record of trying to cut wasteful government spending, he tells the American people the truth about the future of entitlements, he wants to make sure that we bridge the gap between the crisis of energy prices now to a future that can take advantage of rational alternative energy technologies.

6. Obama refuses to drill offshore, blames the oil companies for not extracting more oil out of places that require immense additional cost to get at it, won't commit to building new nuclear plants, as clean as they are, and has demonstrated on this and on so many issues that he is beholden to an extremist far left liberal set of handlers and bosses.

He's an inexperienced young pup, in way too far over his head, and after he loses this election the sad thing will be that all those liberal messiah worshiping moonies will turn on him with viciousness. He's a drowning pup, but they won't fish him out of the rapids when it's over. They'll just let him sink.

Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Schadenfreude

HA ha.

[I especially like the "inexperienced young pup" bit.

He's older than McCain's hero (T. Roosevelt) was when he became President. Significantly older.]

You remind me of this guy
by yastfort

(not the man in black)

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Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by cmolt

American People*

*note: Blacks, Hispanics, College Students, Florida Jews, People with Funny Sounding Names, Registered Democrats, and other Pinko Commies are not American People.

Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Kazillions
He's also older than Alexander the freakin' Great was when he conquered most of the known world at the age of 19. But in all Obama's long years he's never done anything worth talkin' about.
"You keep using that word ...
by Kazillions

I am not sure it means what you think it means."

We'll see whom reminds us of whom on Nov. 4th. Great flick.

It's a presidential election
by Kazillions
All the various victim groups the Democrats try to keep riled up and full of hate are what allows them to have an edge in the House and Senate. But in a broad, nation-wide election, advantage common sense.
Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Schadenfreude

Kazillions:
He's also older than Alexander the freakin' Great was when he conquered most of the known world at the age of 19. But in all Obama's long years he's never done anything worth talkin' about.

Classic subject change.

Thirteen years in state and federal legislatures.

And older than McCain's (and Nixon's) hero.

Also older than Kennedy or Clinton.

Haha, Never go against Kaz when
by Woolley

death is on the line! What till I get going! Plato, Aristotle? Morons!

I love that scene. When he fights the Spaniard at the cliff is also fantastic. As for Kaz, he is persistent and I hope he can recover once this is done with....

Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Kazillions

I wasn't changing the subject at all, I was pointing out how empty your state legislator's resume is.

He's been sheltered, coddled, and protected by Chicago political bosses, and their leftist loon friends like Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright. That's not experience that teaches you how to be President.

No, kaz we're not starting to sweat. For those of us in the
by MichaelRyerson

reality based community we take these things in stride here's alittle reality for ya. you won't get it but I'll offer it up anyway...

What is Obama's Ceiling?

This post is going to seem slightly less relevant now that Gallup has come in showing an 11-point lead for Obama. But the other five daily tracking polls (yes, there are now that many trackers) all showed movement toward John McCain.

Between the Gallup result and Obama's very strong state polling, I am inclined to think that this particular ebb in the tracking polls is mostly statistical noise. That notwithstanding, it's worth considering Chris Bowers' point at Open Left. What, realistically, is Obama's ceiling in this election?

The better a candidate's standing in the polls, the harder it ought to be pick up additional support. In part, this is simply because the more voters that you have in your column, the fewer there are available to convert. But this is still a highly partisan country, we tend to have close elections, and things certainly aren't going to be any easier for a black candidate.

If Obama is ahead by something like 7-8 points ahead nationally, that means that he has persuaded just about all of the persuadables, and he's left looking to covert people like those in Ben Smith's anecdote.

An Obama supporter, who canvassed for the candidate in the working-class, white Philadelphia neighborhood of Fishtown recently, sends over an account that, in various forms, I've heard a lot in recent weeks.

"What's crazy is this," he writes. "I was blown away by the outright racism, but these folks are f***ing undecided. They would call him a n----r and mention how they don't know what to do because of the economy."
If those sorts of people are the undecideds -- and when Obama is winning Pennsylvania by 12 points or something, that's probably what we're looking at -- then Obama really is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Further gains are going to be difficult to come by, which means that his polls are more likely to go down than to continue going up. (Indeed, our model assumes that the race will tighten some).

Then again, when six out of ten Americans thinks we're headed for a depression, perhaps the ordinary rules go out the window.

-- Nate Silver at 12:24 PM

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Proud member!
by Kazillions

You odd little creepy leftist forest fairies have found your home, but it's in a cave and you're looking at shadows flickering on the wall.

As the polls tighten again you keep gravitating back to your knee jerk assumptions ... racism. But you're looking in the wrong direction.

It's okay. You guys can keep wearing your dirty white linen robes, carry your little red books, and slap high fives with a squeaky "proud member!" chant. The adults will keep you safe.

;-)

Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Schmutzie

Speaking of inexperienced young pups, what about the 44 year old pit bull sportin' that fancy pink lip gloss?

Is she too young and inexperienced?

Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by jkmurph
Those polls are all over the place, aren't they. I think if you're going to follow them you have to have a really complicated model like Nate Silver, or just include every poll that comes out and average them.

Don't worry, though. You folks have had 8 years to practice getting used to a President who's in over his head
Re: Zogby versus Gallup ... Obama supporters start to sweat
by Kazillions

I don't see how averaging the results of eight fatally flawed systems is going to get anyone any closer to the truth.

And I'm not worried, you are.

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