Sir, on a previous thread you stated you trusted Obama. Is there a specific reason for this apparent faith, or is it merely because you remember the dollar being stable under the last Democratic president?

If the reason is primarily the latter, it must be noted that Clinton did inherit an economy that was in relatively good shape from the elder George Bush.

I pity the person who inherits this mess though.

To think voting for Obama out of Clinton nostalgia will just be "mana from heaven" has got to be even crazier than Unebug's notion that Obama is the change agent.

Thinking Obama translates to Clinton era prosperity, is like me thinking every Republican will be Teddy Roosvelt.

Bush will probably get a warship named after him one day. Maybe a new Nimitz class like his dad. It doesn't mean he can wear Teddy Roosvelt's jock though.

If I was that age and getting as much sugar as he does, I might be a little fatigued and light headed too.

So he has an excuse.

Well Teddy Roosevelt did say to speak softly but to carry a "Big Stick".

Also though, in Bush's defense, Roosevelt never "jockeyed" a jet.

Though I don't know where any relevance lies in that statement.

Damn, kid.

I think you're a bad influence on me.

You saying you didn't grasp the relevance of my Roosvelt-jock analogy?

Basically the way I see it (maybe I missed something), that this is a case of Bill seeing Obama and Clinton as being apples and apples simply because the label is identical.

Were also discounting the fact the country was headed into a recession when Clinton left office (dot.com bubble anyone?), and that there was an unprecedented attack on America, that not only killed people it poisoned the economy forever.

That wasn't Bush not doing enough, that was political correctness run amok.

Just look at the airline industry. To me it's amazing they didn't just close shop all together, because they can't make money at it. If you can't make money at it, why do it?

Just because people want to get some where fast? Fuck em, let em ride a donkey for a while until they get fed up and start profiling passengers.

Really I think Clinton was a moderate, at least relative to what Democrats have become.

Obama claims to be a moderate. Well that is false advertising on his part.

All they have to do is start implementing their draconian green policies and watch the economy go into stagflation.

I encourage sound conservation measures and sound ecological practices, but I do agree with you that industry has been regulated to death. I see it on a regular basis in my workplace.

Regarding Clinton and an impending recession, quite true. Bush inherited a plethora of problems that weren't really his making. Though it also has to be opined that some of his solutions to these problems left much to be desired.

Which will in turn give his successor, Republican or Democrat, a plethora of problems that Bill Clinton never had to deal with.

Clinton in fact sowed a lot of the seeds of the social destruction we see around us today. Not the least of which was selling us out to the goddamned Chinese.

Which is something I will never forgive him for.

When you talk about Democrats, you're preaching to the chior here. I haven't been a Democrat since 1976. And the Democrats at the national level have been sadly out of touch with their constituency since 1964.

I think the only reason I was a Democrat in my youth was because I had a fear and mistrust of Richard Nixon, who now looks like a saint and boy scout to me compared to what I've seen since he left office. Outside of Gerald Ford and the elder George Bush anyway. I wasn't a fan of either but they weren't objectionable to me either.

I actually like Reagan, but his economic policies totally blew me away. As do the younger George Bush's.

In my section of the country Bill Clinton was a dirty word. Even his supporters here would shake their heads in disbelief and consternation when his name was mentioned.

Ah well, we all make mistakes it would seem.

I don't know what the sentiment for Obama is like outside of Oklahoma, but I can guarantee he won't carry this state. No Democrat had carried Olahoma since 1964 when LBJ carried the state. And then only because the perception was that Goldwater wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam.

Which is something Johnson did anyway.

As for the airline industry, I haven't been on a plane since September 2000 when I flew to Newark, New Jersey to go on a cruise from New York to Bermuda (I wish I'd stayed there). After that I said never a fucking again. And this was a year before 9-11.

I probably wouldn't even get through airport security without getting arrested. Heavy-handed authority always gets my dander up, and incompetence is even harder to deal with.

I'll just go Greyhound and hope I don't piss any armed whackos off on the trip.

I've actually rode a donkey before. Much prefer a mule. Even to a horse. Somewhat stubborn, but damned intelligent animals. The donkey combines a horse's lack of intelligence and good sense with a mule's stubborness.

Which is no doubt why the Democrats adopted it as their national party symbol.

Rob, Roger, I judge people and politicians based on their "body language, voice tone, and actual words"----I get positive vibs with Obama and negative McCain. I'm also concerned that McCain's foreign affairs advisors are the neocons who took us away from Afghanstan and the capture of Bin Laden to IRAQ. REAGAN/BUSH, deregulation and "starve the beast"(Social programs).have destroyed us.

My student has just arrived, I'll get back to you after her two- hour lesson.

So raising taxes, carbon capping, and gutting the military is the way to stop the ship from listing to starboard?

As for Afghanistan, that is ideal defensive terrain. Sure we could use more troops there, but keep in mind fully loaded choppers had difficulty in Bosnia due to the altitude. Afghanistan the altitude is even worse.

Focusing on Afghanistan and putting all our eggs in that basket meant the terrorists would have free reign elsewhere.

Iraq was a magnet, and the terrain is more palatable for heavy equipment the military uses. Afghanistan is much more of a mostly light infantry war like South Vietnam.

Going to Iraq was IMO (in football speak), taking what the defense gives you, rather than trying to make ill advised low percentage passes in Afghanistan with a huge unwieldly force that is no sure thing to catch Bin Laden.

There is no point in putting a quarter million troops in Afghanistan if Osama gets to hide out next door in a country that is off limits.

Having a smaller more passive force in Afghanistan you would think they would be more likely to encourage the Taliban to come out in a stand up fight.

Also Obama has called for less than 8,000 more troops for Afghanistan. I think McCain has called for double that amount.

Wow....talk about body language. The fact that McCain can't raise his arms above his shoulders tells me that he went through a lot of hell for his country.

Angel4Him:

Wow....talk about body language. The fact that McCain can't raise his arms above his shoulders tells me that he went through a lot of hell for his country.

That he did. Still no reason to vote for him simply based on his military experiences.

And neither is Obama's "body language" or "good vibes" reason to vote for him.

I encourage all to make an intelligent choice based on the issues, and on their own instincts and good judgement.

Fredf would be pulling his hair out here.

I don't understand how anyone could "trust" ANY politician.

Rob, Roger, Body language is only one criteria I used. I have studied the issues and the positions of both candidates, at numerous sites; I have fact checked the people behind these men at NNDB, and have concluded Omaba is the best candidate.

My daughter Laura and her husband are backing McCain because their net worths are in the millions. They live in the exclusive Beacon Hill section in Boston MA. They are planning to send my grandson(age 4- Oct. 30th) to Kingsley Montessori School pre-k to 6; Boston Latin School; and Harvard College. I hope Quinn shares his parents'objectives. I unfortunaely won't be around. I'll be chasing the female angels in heaven!!! lol