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Bill Ayers
by Arkady

I heard a right-wing braying head on talk radio, this morning, ridiculing Obama for having claimed not to have known, back when he worked with Bill Ayers, about Ayers's connections to the Weather Underground bombings . The right-winger asserted that this proved that either Obama was an idiot or a liar. I'm curious what people here think. Were you familiar with the name "Bill Ayers" before the Obama controversy?

I'll admit to my ignorance on this one. Like Obama, I was too young to be politically aware back when Ayers was news. I'd heard of the Students for a Democratic Society and the Weather Underground, from documentaries about 60s radicalism, and knew a little about the latter (how they'd taken their name from a Dylan lyric, how they'd been involved in bombings). However, the only name I'd ever heard connected to that was Terry Robbins. I'm not completely dim about 60s radical politics. I know quite a bit about Timothy Leary, Bobby Seale, Jerry Rubin, Elijah Mohammed, Malcolm X, Abbie Hoffman, and Cesar Chavez, but no Bill Ayers.

I did a quick Amazon "search inside" of Zinn's "A People's History" (the source of most of my counter-cultural history lessons), and Ayers isn't mentioned. A quick news archive search suggests that before Obama's rise to prominence Ayers was a pretty damned obscure figure. I, for one, wouldn't find it at all implausible to think that a few years back a politician could have interactions with Ayers without knowing much more about him than that he was a former hippie. Do other here disagree?

And you think Ayers wasn't a
by berzerker

"radical" even when he met with Obama?

Why not just ASK Obama what he knew and when?

Because he won't answer about it, because the LIE and getting caught in it is almost always worse than what you did. He'd be afraid he would get caught in a lie.

Don't forget, his WIFE was a
by berzerker

weatherman too.

Their children named after violent radicals...those names certainly known to Obama.

If he didn't figure it out, he is a moron.

Here is a 1993 article about the wife:

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Let's Assume......
by Zam-Zam

....that Senator Obama had no idea Ayers was a bad guy.

And let's assume the Senator Obama never heard a word Reverend Wright said in all the years he went to Church there.

And let's even assume that he had no idea Tony Rezko wasn't a completely legitimate business man. Or that Larry Walsh was anything other than a honest politician.

If we assume all of that, we might as well assume that Senator Obama has sound judgement and is ready to be the leader of the free world.

That's an awful lot of assuming.........

Re: Bill Ayers
by scully
I think its sad that no one really answered your question. I have never heard of Ayers either. I was probably 2 years old when he was doing the things he was doing.

Was Ayers convicted of anything? He isn't in prison, and he sits on a charity board for education. I think the guy changed his ways.
A truly silly argument.
by TopHall

No, Obama isn't an idiot, but he certainly is a liar.

Let me get this straight:

You want us to believe that Obama is planning on launching his political career through Ayers' support and no one mentioned Bill Ayers' past? Even a little bit? Obama never asked "who is this guy holding an event for me?"

Ayers gets awarded the CAC grant which requires him to be active in the board selection. He asks Obama to serve as chairman with control of the funds that Ayers worked, but Obama doesn't ask anything about the guy asking him to serve?

In 1997, Obama reviews a book written by Ayers, raves about it, and yet still NO ONE has ever told him about Ayers past?

The suspension of disbelieve on the Left is amazing.

Re: Bill Ayers
by TopHall
Sure, he changed "his ways". Now he is sponsored by Hugo Chavez and helps foment "revolution in Central and South America. He is featured on Chavez' website.
Re: Bill Ayers
by MaryAnne

Arkady,your ignorance of the subject is one thing.

You were not connected with Ayers.Obama was! I can remember the name from years past,but for you to pretend that Obama had no dealings with him does not pass the smell test!

He dealt with him on
by scully

a charity board, MA. He teaches at a college. Get over it.

Re: He dealt with him on
by MaryAnne
scully:

a charity board, MA. He teaches at a college. Get over it.

No,Scully,I have no intention of getting over a terrorist who started Obama on his political path. You can stick your head in the sand,I have no intention of doing so!

And I do not like McCain either. Matter of fact,I have little use for anyone running today.Except for Mike Turner,a republican who voted no on this bailout.

so you are saying that
by scully

we have a know terrorist running the streets and teaching in colleges?

Give me a break.

He is guilty. But the investigation
by berzerker

was tainted by illegal wiretaps, so he got a pass.

He admits his guilt in his book.

His WIFE went to jail though.

Yes, actually we do.
by berzerker

He got a free pass due to illegal wiretaps.

But he certainly was involved in bombings.

I believe you are one who acknowledged that O.J. was guilty of murder, right?

But he walked.

Obama's buddy is the same. Guilty, but walked.

How does that prove
by scully
Obama had "dealings" that were shady in nature? Again, I repeat, he IS on the board of a CHARITY for EDUCATION. So was OBAMA. SO F'ing WHAT!
Re: so you are saying that
by MaryAnne
scully:

we have a know terrorist running the streets and teaching in colleges?

Give me a break.

Are you really that naive,Scully?

We have crooks running rampant in Congress,in the Whitehouse and most of our businesses.

Do you honestly think it impossible to have a known bomber of WDC running around loose?And backing Obama?

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