Obama has been lying about his relationship with Ayers as being just somehow "casual" and unimportant.

Obama's claim that his relationship with Ayers is somehow immaterial today is an outrageously cynical opinion of the average voters intelligence. Which speaks in it's own way to Obama's arrogance.

Obama mentioned during the first debate that he was only eight years old when Ayers' was criminally active. That is just typical Obama parsing of words to deflect the FACT that Obama is comfortable consorting with this type of individual.

Obama was much older than eight when Ayers took the publicity route in having himself photographed standing on the American flag. It is obvious that the bomb throwing Ayers hates America and wants a soviet style state.

Obama stayed with an America hating church for twenty years. Obama hangs with the hate America crowd. ACORN is just another organization that hates America.

In short, Obama does not DESERVE to be President of this nation. All he has done is plot, deceive, and conspire to wreak chaos and take over.

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And how old was GWB as he cavorted with the family of Osama Bin laden, while bin laden was a terrorist? Oh, he was in the oval office.

Or how about Palin, she is married to a person who wants Alaska to secceed from the Union. sleeps with and has children with this seditionist. Thats as un-American as it gets.

Obama was only 8 years old when Ayers was breaking the law. Thats decades ago, how many rocks are you going to look under while crying like a big baby if someone dares askes Palin a fifth grade question.

So, how many times do you take out your American flag and step on it?

How many of your "buddies" like to take the flag out and step all over it? Then go over to the VFW hall and brag about it?

Yep. Just as I thought. None. You choose to miss the whole point because you can't stand the truth.

if nobody cared that Clinton had a sofy spot for terrorists why should anybody care if Obama does?

I just love it when someone who hasn't a valid argument asks a question that can't possibly be answered in this type of forum, then goes ahead and answers it for his opponent in the way he *wants* the other guy to answer, then uses that "answer" to prove his spurious point.

I'm sorry, Ironman, but your angry indignation is a pose. Ayers is irrelevant to this campaign. the Keating 5 and Alaska Independence Party are both more current and more germane. I won't go so far as to accuse you of racism, but that's suspiciously close to what's coming through here.

Ironman:

How many of those men at the VFW would step on that flag for a chance to have their friends and relatives back who died as a result of politicians inciting and/or abetting stupid and self-serving wars? I can not think of one who would not swap the imagery of a flag, a piece of cloth, for an opportunity to drink a warm beer with a friend in the field again. This Marine would do so, so he could talk to his dead friends again. I know a friend of mine here would also do so.

Most of us who have lost something or someone know what counts and it certainly isn't rumors and speculation on what a person thinks. At the least, Ayers did not attack a sovereign country under false pretenses which is an example of true radicalism. What is it now? 4,000+ dead soldiers and counting to promulgate a lie? Much bavado with little substance.

Clinton rounded up all of the participants in the 1993 attack on the WTC and gave them a place to stay. It is here in Colorado, where they will stay for the rest of their lives.

He tried to kill Bin Laden on more than one opportunity.

Looks like Bush let Bin Laden off the hook more than once, if you include the fact that Bush did nothing about the USS Cole and waited until 9/12 to do anything about Al Qaeda and then, while at war in Afghanistan, decided that putting American soldiers on the border with Pakistan to prevent his escape, was just too much trouble. According to the Major who commanded the Delta force in Afghanistan and was tracking Bin Laden in Tora Bora, all of his plans were overridden by higher ups and the army isn't telling who that might have been.

That was on 60 minutes last night.....

bajacalla:

There is an answer to the type of arrogance exhibited. As a veteran, I would stand on the flag to talk to my friends again. The truth is in what we have sacrificed. Everything else is talk.

That relationship cost us money. McCain went on vacation with Keating. He and his wife invested money in a shopping center with Keating. Keating went to jail after costing the tax payers a billion bucks. Then, of course, there is Gordon Liddy. Did you know he has been a fund raiser for McCain? How many years did he spend in jail after his little criminal enterprise and the effort to get around the election process.

Have you read "How to rig an election: Confessions of a republican operative"?

Your attempt to link Obama to people he barely knows and to whatever they may have done 40 years ago is in chapter 5.

middleview:

Clinton rounded up all of the participants in the 1993 attack on the WTC and gave them a place to stay. It is here in Colorado, where they will stay for the rest of their lives.

He tried to kill Bin Laden on more than one opportunity.

Looks like Bush let Bin Laden off the hook more than once, if you include the fact that Bush did nothing about the USS Cole and waited until 9/12 to do anything about Al Qaeda and then, while at war in Afghanistan, decided that putting American soldiers on the border with Pakistan to prevent his escape, was just too much trouble. According to the Major who commanded the Delta force in Afghanistan and was tracking Bin Laden in Tora Bora, all of his plans were overridden by higher ups and the army isn't telling who that might have been.

That was on 60 minutes last night.....

First of all the USS Cole was bomber in Oct 2000 and Clinton did nothing, and as far as trying to kill Bin Lauden, he was offered to be turned over to the US gov't in 1993 by the Sudanese gov't. Clinto said no and Bin Laudin fled to Afghanistan where he remained safe to this day. The closest he came to being captured or killed sine Bill Clinton let him go in 1993 was during the attack at Tora Bora

What would we have arrested and held Bin Laden for in 1993?

The Cole was bombed in 2000. When did we know that Bin Laden was involved? The FBI reported in December of 2000 that they had good reason to blame Bin Laden. Clinton decided to turn it over to Bush, rather than start a war in the last 30 days of his own administration. If it took Bush 3 months to mobilize troops to invade Iraq, should Clinton have ordered a callup and then turned it over to Bush?

Bush had all of the USS Cole info and did nothing at all.

middleview:

What would we have arrested and held Bin Laden for in 1993?

The Cole was bombed in 2000. When did we know that Bin Laden was involved? The FBI reported in December of 2000 that they had good reason to blame Bin Laden. Clinton decided to turn it over to Bush, rather than start a war in the last 30 days of his own administration. If it took Bush 3 months to mobilize troops to invade Iraq, should Clinton have ordered a callup and then turned it over to Bush?

Bush had all of the USS Cole info and did nothing at all.

Wrong: Bush with cooperation with the Gov't of Yemmen had the ones responsible imprissoned in Yemen. He tracked down the remianing and had them taken out with UAV's and even tracked down the ones responsibel for the embassy bombings in Tanzannia and Kenya back in 1996 that Clinton decided to push off to the next president as well. Everybody knew that the Cole was an Alqueda operation when it happened. If your telling me now that Clinton didn't know who was responsible in the two months from Oct to Dec then he either didn't care or (as most people believe) he was incompetent

bajacalla wrote: "the Keating 5 and Alaska Independence Party are both more current and more germane."

Keating 5 took place in 1982, investigated in 1990.

Obama/Ayers association as recent as 1995-1996 Obama was working for Ayers.

Is Ayers now on the run? Is he still planning criminal activities? Has he bombed anything recently?

Isn't he a college professor and works to reform schools in Chicago?

When Palin calls Ayers a terrorist, why hasn't she asked Bush or McCain to use an unmanned drone to hunt down Ayers and blow up his hideout?

JustTired:

bajacalla wrote: "the Keating 5 and Alaska Independence Party are both more current and more germane." Keating 5 took place in 1982, investigated in 1990. Obama/Ayers association as recent as 1995-1996 Obama was working for Ayers.

Ayers bombed the capital in the 90s?... And he's been consorting with Obama since?... Why isn't that in the news? I mean, bombing the capital would HAVE to have been a big thing since it happened in the 90s. And what's he doing out of jail if it happened so recently?

Wait... no... it didn't. Ayers bombed the capital in the 70s, by my recollection... Turned themselves in in 1980... Didn't ever go to jail for some god-forsaken reason (probably because Carter was a wimp... i dunno, i hadn't been born yet). And THEN (in 1995) Obama started associating with Ayers.

I mean... seriously think about the connection you're trying to make here. If someone starts buddying up to OJ in 15 years (after he gets out on parole), does that person instantly support wife-killing? Because that's the basic argument you're making about the Obama-Ayers connection.