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Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by raptor5618
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Obama feels that your neighbor should be just as able to decide what is right for your kids as you do.

I guess if you believe that this country is just one big commune with him deciding what is right for everyone this makes sense.

But according to the Obama voting record, it is fine with him if you neighbor thinks you are not making the right decisions for you kids. Apparently, he must agree with the tactic my kids used to use. I would say no and they would say so and so's parents let them do it.

Apparently it is Obama's view that my no can be over ruled by so and so and I could not do a thing about it.

When he increases the age where a kid can be on your health insurance, I wonder if I can make my neighbors pay?

Kenya, Islam and Obama Hussein..Children Torched...
by markfifteen
Kenya, Islam and Obama Hussein

Kenya, Islam and Obama Hussein

It's been hard to escape the news of the horrific atrocities coming out of Kenya. Just this past weekend, children were torched, burnt alive in a Kenya church. In broad daylight, a crowd of Kenyans set a church filled with hundreds of terrified families on fire and listened to their screams as flames engulfed them. More here

The violence is the worst Kenya has witnessed since a failed coup in 1982. The media has been, shall we say obtuse, in describing the combatants, the murderers - what exactly is at play.
Dr. Jack Wheeler at To the Point News lays it out for us and outlines a brilliant strategy for Obama, a Moslem in his youth with strong ties to Islam and that region. Interesting that Obama should sidle up to the agitator aligned with Islam.

Of course, Wheeler's bold strategy is way over Obama Hussein's head. Don't expect any such "action" from the actionless but the story behind the Kenya bloodbaths leads to of all places ................. Islam. Kenya's Muslim population is roughly 10% - that historical tipping point where the Muslims traditionally assert themselves and their Islamic law (sharia) on the poor, unsuspecting host country.

OBAMA IN KENYA Dr. Jack Wheeler, Rational Oasis, TTP

Barrack Hussein Obama Junior will not win or lose the Democrat Party's presidential nomination in Iowa or New Hampshire or elsewhere in the US. He'll win or lose it in Kenya.

That he'll lose it there is the fear of his campaign advisors who wear green eye-shades. That he'll win there is the hope of his campaign advisors who have both brains and cojones.

Last week in The 2008 Carpe Diem Filter, we noted that an ideal presidential candidate would be someone who knows how to carpe diem - who looks at problems as opportunities, who would best be able to recognize and maximize the opportunity in a crisis.

Fate has just given Obama such a make-or-break opportunity. Will he confidently use it, or will he wimp out, showing the world he's not the hero of his believers' mythology, but the Obambi phony his detractors claim?

For it is the unique nexus of bloody violence between tribes - Kikuyu and Luo - and religions - Christianity and Islam - unraveling Kenya right now that gives Obama his opportunity. After all, his father, Barrack Hussein Obama Senior, was Luo and a Moslem.

For background on Kenya in general, see A Tusker at the Stanley from June 2006. Here's the current background.

Kenya's first truly free and fair democratic election was in December 2002, won by Mwai Kibaki and a multi-ethnic coalition party NARC (National Rainbow Coalition). One of the leaders of that coalition was Raila Odinga.

Kibaki didn't give him positions in the new government that he felt were important enough, so Odinga formed an opposition party, ODM (Orange Democratic Movement, orange the symbol color of opposition).

When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election last week (12/27) to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire.

Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people have been politically murdered in the last few days.

Kenya's 37 million people are divided up into over three dozen tribes and sub-tribes, but the two dominant ones are Kikuyu and Luo. Kenyan politics since independence in 1963 has essentially been a duke-out between them.

The father of Kenyan independence and president until 1978 was Jomo Kenyatta, a Kikuyu. His main political opponent was Oginga Odinga, known as "OO," a Luo and Raila's father.

While Kenyatta was pro-West and sided with America in the Cold War, OO was a Communist who was aided and supported by the Soviet Union.

That's why Raila went to school in East Germany (born in 1945, he graduated from Magdeburg University in 1970), and named his first-born son after Fidel Castro.

Thus it likely won't shock you to learn that Raila has now made a deal for support from the Soviets' successors as world-champion enemies of the West and democratic freedoms: Moslem fundamentalists.

The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya.

It pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila's election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees to 14 actions, listed a) through n) on page two. Read them all, and be sure you're sitting down. Here's a sample:

b) Within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions.

c) With immediate effect dismiss the Commissioner of Police who has allowed himself to be used by heathens and Zionists to oppress the Kenyan Muslim community.

g) Within one year facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters. [Note: everywhere in Kenya, not just in "Muslim declared regions."]

Again, read all of them, for others are just as bad or worse.

It may also not surprise you that Raila is not Moslem himself, but claims to be a practicing Anglican. Only a minority of Luo are Moslem (most are Christian). Kenya on the whole is Christian, with 80% of Kenyans either Protestant or Roman Catholic, while only 10% are Moslem.

And here is the biggest non-surprise: Raila Odinga has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Barrack Hussein Obama Junior.

When Obama went to Kenya in August of 2006, he was hosted by Raila and spoke in praise of him at rallies in Nairobi:

Re: Kenya, Islam and Obama Hussein..Children Torched...
by SheldahlGal
You are a fucking lunatic. Please for the sake of everyone go back onto your meds.
Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by tubbs
raptor5618:

Obama feels that your neighbor should be just as able to decide what is right for your kids as you do.

I guess if you believe that this country is just one big commune with him deciding what is right for everyone this makes sense.

But according to the Obama voting record, it is fine with him if you neighbor thinks you are not making the right decisions for you kids. Apparently, he must agree with the tactic my kids used to use. I would say no and they would say so and so's parents let them do it.

Apparently it is Obama's view that my no can be over ruled by so and so and I could not do a thing about it.

When he increases the age where a kid can be on your health insurance, I wonder if I can make my neighbors pay?

Your post doesn't explain how Obama allegedly allows your neighbors control over your kids. You post no link, and you never explicitly say how this is so.

Without any link or citation or explanation, your post is pretty worthless.

Best,

Hussein tubbs

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by raptor5618

Just look at his voting record.

There was a bill that would make it illegal for someone to take another's minor child across a state border to get them an abortion which would negate parental rights.

He also was against making it illegal for a parent who committed incest to take their child across state line for the same reason. I assume he felt that a parent who commits incest should have the freedom to cover up his oops by having their child abort the mistake.

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by tubbs
raptor5618:

Just look at his voting record.

There was a bill that would make it illegal for someone to take another's minor child across a state border to get them an abortion which would negate parental rights.

He also was against making it illegal for a parent who committed incest to take their child across state line for the same reason. I assume he felt that a parent who commits incest should have the freedom to cover up his oops by having their child abort the mistake.

A link or citation or two might help here, so anyone else would have an idea of what you're talking about.

Based on what you've written here, it sounds like Obama was for a bill making it illegal to take someone else's child out of state to get an abortion. I don't think that's a bad idea. Why would I want someone else taking my child out of state for an abortion?

The second part of your post makes it sound like Obama was for a bill making it illegal for a parent who has committed incest to take their child over state lines for an abortion. Again, not a bad idea. People who commit incest probably shouldn't be taking their kids out of state without supervision.

Of course without any documentation, we're just agreeing or disagreeing on what you've likely misread, which isn't very informative or helpful.

Best,

hussein tubbs

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by raptor5618

"Why would I want someone else taking my child out of state for an abortion?"

I guess what I wrote was unclear. He voted against a bill that would make it illegal to do what you said.

The same bill made it illegal for a parent to take his child across state lines to get an abortion when they had committed incest.

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by raptor5618

Official Title of Legislation: S 403: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions. Project Vote Smart's Synopsis: Vote to pass a bill that criminalizes the transportation of pregnant minors across state lines with some exceptions. Highlights: - Makes it illegal, excluding the minor's parents, to knowingly transport a pregnant minor across state lines in order to obtain an abortion, as a way to escape state laws requiring parental consent (Sec 2431(a)(1)) - Establishes a fine and/or up to one year of imprisonment for anyone who violates this law (Sec 2431 (a)(1)) - Provides an exception to the law if the life of the minor is endangered (Sec 2431(b)(1)) - Makes it a crime to knowingly transport a minor across state lines to get an abortion after committing incest with a minor (Sec 2432) Senate Passage Vote: 07/25/2006: Passed: 65-34. Record Vote Number: 216. House Passage Vote: 09/26/2006: Passed: 264-153. (Roll No. 479).

Senator Obama voted NO

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by tubbs

Sorry. This is just not a slam dunk at all. Maybe the bill has some provision or earmark or whatever that he disagreed with. You haven't done much to explain the bill or its legislative history or who else voted for or against it.

I'm sure if you keep poking around Obama's voting record you'll find something scarier than this. You've got to work fast though, there's only a month left before the election!

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by raptor5618

I am not voting for him. I looked at the bill and all the attached information that goes with it. Obama said that these kids maybe could not talk to their parents so he wanted others to be able to do what the child wants without fear of prosecution.

I already said that the race is over. McCain had the door to victory open up for him a few times and he never stepped through. This is not one of the things he missed but I think it shows just how strongly Obama is opposed to any restrictions on abortion.

My biggest problem with Obama is that he is not upfront about virtually everything. Fortunately for him, his followers are willing to swallow whole anything he does. You said this seemed wrong but when it was clear that Obama did it you seem to be saying that he had to have had a good reason to vote the way he did.

I never suggested that this is a slam dunk. In fact I think to vote for a president based upon abortion rights just does not make sense to me. I am surprised that you did not choose to do more research on a subject where your candidate seems to have done something that runs contrary to your view of what is right.

I think this country is in for a very big and bad surprise when Obama takes office. Those against him raise points that only a totally partisan person would get so they have not taken a realistic evaluation of Obama. Obama followers are not going to question anything he says or does. They make totally illogical arguments.

I heard one the other day where the person claimed that W was incompetent because if he knows Iran is supplying arms to radical groups in Iraq he is in dereliction of his office because he did not invade Iran. Now I imagine if W did as he suggested he should that he would be screaming about W getting into another war. By and large the tunnel vision of Obama followers is virtually universal.

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by tubbs

You are entitled to your opinion and you are certainly entitled to pretend to be objective as long as you want. The internet is a wonderful place where you can pretend to be anything you want: objective, moderate, whatever.

Your subject line: "Obama gives neighbors rights over your children" is a lie. I just wanted to see whether there was any basis to it all (and there's not).

Your claim that Obama is "not upfront about virtually everything," is also demonstrably false as is your claim that his "followers" (that's just silly) are willing to swallow anything he does whole.

You haven't really shown that I feel one way or another about any issue here, because you barely provided any information upon which to make an opinion. Should it be illegal for someone to take another person's child across state lines for an abortion? Depends on the situation. Is that what the bill actually says? Are there any other provisions in the bill that might make voting for the bill a good or bad idea?

Your post is the equivalent of saying "McCain wants to kill U.S. soldiers!" because he does not support a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. To pretend that this or your post is objective is a wilful divorce from reality.

And have I claimed at any point that abortion or driving children across state lines is an important issue for me? No, king straw man.

Anyway, all of this is pretty moot. Regradless of whether you think Obama supoporters are whatever or Obama is whatever or whether you think he's right or wrong. . . . He's going to win this election.

Get used to it.

Have a lovely day,

tubbs

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by Neuro

Raptor,

I agree with you that one should not vote based solely on the abortion issue.

tubbs (and raptor too),

I would not have voted for this bill because of the incest provision. As I read it, this bill says that, if you're the victim of incest, your parents cannot take you across state lines to get an abortion. Additionally, no one but your parents can take you across state lines to get an abortion. So if you're a minor in a state where parental consent is required, and your father gets you pregnant and won't provide consent, you have no choice but to deliver the kid or subject someone else to a year in jail. That's kind of dumb.

Also, I remember my local house member sending out a mailing saying she voted against this not for the reason I described above (so maybe i'm misreading the bill) but because the bill referenced 'parents' rather than 'families'; had the bill allowed, say, grandparents to take kids across state lines then she would have supported it.

I have no idea why Obama didn't support this bill, but I'm okay with that.

but neither can anyone else. So if you're the victim of incest, and you're in a state where you need parental consent to get an abortion, and your parents won't let you get an abortion, well, anyone who drives you across will get arrested.

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by Neuro

i'm bad at editing. dang it

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by tubbs

In looking at the Senate votes on this bill I see that, Joe Liberman, and Republicans Susan Collins, Olympia Snow, Arlen Spector, and Lincoln Chafee also voted Nay along with most Democrats. I guess their Republican followers must think it's a good idea too, since as we all know any particular vote of a U.S. Senator is a good indication of their opinion on all things.

Did these Republicans also support giving neighbors rights over your kids? I guess so according to raptor. Man, I hope their Republican followers don't approve of all the rest of their actions like Obama followers do! I mean if they support their Senator and their Senator voted on this bill, they must support everything the Senator does, right?

Re: Obama gives neigbors rights over your kids
by koenraad64
IF I remember correctly, this was about the parents of the prospective child's father taking the pregnant girl across the state line to get an abortion. It wasn't some group of unaffiliated neighbors.
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