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Palin's Secessionist Friends
by oxboggle
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For someone who has spent a lot of time with people who actively advocate seceding from the USA, Palin has a cute way of accusing others of poor choices.

According to her, Obama's acquaintanceship with Billy Ayers proves he doesn't think America is perfect, as she claims to think, herself. If she's so hot for the good old US of A, how come she's been so chummy with the secessionist Alaska First guys? First Dude Todd is a member, after all.

So let's look at the score: Todd Palin belongs to a secessionist party that wants Alaska to go it alone and regards America as a foreign country. Sarah, for her part, has always been chummy with the secessionists, as have her mom and dad.

So why does she think she can get away with her current line of bullshit about Obama? She's either a complete moron or she thinks nobody has been doing any background reading on her. Or maybe she just thinks she can make the truth up as she goes along.
Re: Palin's Secessionist Friends
by quidfecisti
Maybe when you can find some AIP members who are/were both close associates of Palin and are still proud of the terrorist attacks they committed, your argument might make sense. Until then, I suggest you learn to deal with the idea that Obama has made some poor choices in his past.
Re: Palin's Secessionist Friends
by oxboggle
The AIP thinks that America isn't good enough for them. I think that's a fair assessment. Sarah and todd have spent a lot more time with AIP members in teh last ten years than Obama has with Billy Ayers. That's fair, too. What Ayers is proud of is that he opposed the war in Vietnam. beyond that I don't have any credible quoted from him that I can cite about the terrorism issue, and neither, I bet, do you.

The Feds declined to go after him in the end because, as is also true regarding his wife, they basically had no evidence beyond supposition and in-house chat. That's because the FBI of that period was not only corrupt and brutal, but it was also astonishingly incompetent. The prosecutors looked over the evidence the FBI had assembled, and realized they could not, in Rumpole's terms, "get a conviction for unrenewed dog-license" based on it. So legally, Ayers has nothing for which he should apologize, and morally, well, if you remember the war and how it was run, you tell me who should be doing all the apologizing.

I'd say that as a one-time bomber of metropolitan Hanoi, McCain has a not of nerve yapping about other people killing the innocent. He has, to say the least, a very well - equilebrated conscience. But heck, that's just me. and everyone else seems happy with celebrating him as a war hero without asking what exactly he was DOING when he got shot down.

I would suggest you look into all this, along with the forty years of public service Ayers has turned in, before making any more smug and unfounded assumptions about Obama, Ayers, Palin, the AIP, the SDS and so on.
Re: Palin's Secessionist Friends
by quidfecisti

Actually you'll note that the AIP does not mention secession anywhere within their platform, which does call for "full compliance with the constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Alaska."

http://akip.org/platform.html

As for Ayers, is the New York Times a credible enough source for you?

http://tinyurl.com/4tb7wd

Now unlike you, I'm pretty sure Obama is smart enough not to approve of Ayers' actions or support his views, but their relationship is certainly something a responsible citizen should be concerned about.
Re: Palin's Secessionist Friends
by oxboggle
When the events of the sixties and early seventies took place, Obama was in grade school. I was not. I blew off the convention in which the National Office faction transformed into Weatherman. I thought their program was stupid and would achieve nothing. Given that the war just kept rolling on, like a giant death machine, making profiteers rich and destroying one neutral small country after another, I could understand the rage.

Fred Hampton was right about them, when he accused them of "Custerism." At the same time, it feels like cheap grace to quote him in that regard. Feels like; well, it is.

In fact, though, you have nothing but the kind of guilt-by-association that made McCarthy briefly powerful, and characteristically, you finish with a vague reference to "their relationship." Really, you are lower than dog shit. The AIP are clowns, and I don't much care what their platform says. Alaska isn't going to secede because then they'd have to pay their own welfare instead of fobbing it off on us.
Re: Palin's Secessionist Friends
by antph

Ooh! A Rumpole quote! Hahaha.

Can you believe there are still people defending Palin? Just yesterday I stumbled onto a blog called Patterico something and people there were actually swallowing Palin's post-debate spin that she chose not to answer Couric's questions because Couric annoyed her. Right.

An officer of NOW in Los Angeles recently endorsed Palin. I read it on a site called thenewagenda.net. The New Agenda calls itself a feminist organization. The article implied that the NOW officer was speaking for her organization (she was not). It horrifies me that people actually believe voting for Palin, just because she's a woman, represents a feminist advance.

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