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Conservative Comedy Sucks
by Thrasymachus

With "An American Carol" bombing at the box office, conservatism's chronic unfunniness is on painful display once again. Those of us who have winced through the awful "Half-Hour News Hour" on Fox (now mercifully cancelled) or the risible comedy stylings of the right's numerous Limbaughs and Coulters should not be surprised to see this movie tanking.

Conservatives just have to face up to the fact that they suck at comedy. It's just not their genre. Making a great conservative comedy film is about as easy as making a great liberal action movie. And in the past 25 years, each of those feats has been accomplished exactly once, by Brazil and The Matrix, respectively.

(Unfortunately, the Bush Administration's fearmongering about terrorism and its legitimization of torture has made Brazil as much about them as anything else. "Those who do not know comedy are doomed to repeat it").

The sad thing is
by biteoftheweek
that my local megaplex is carrying that garbage, but I have to go into the city to an independent theater to see Religulous
Virtual oxymoron, no? (eom)
by tartuffe
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Re: The sad thing is
by Thrasymachus
That is sad. . .
Re: Virtual oxymoron, no? (eom)
by a reasonable man

I was also gonna make the oxymoron observation.

Seems to me that comedy, almost by definition, involves deflating the establishment, the status quo. Inherently anti-conservative.

Of course, there is plenty of unintentional conservative comedy (witness most of the posts from the Joke from Dallas)

Truly
by Thrasymachus

And yet they never seem to stop trying. It's as if being funny has become, for conservatives, a sort of socio-intellectual Holy Grail.

Principle personified in Dennis Miller. Wiseass lib? Funny!
by tartuffe

Turns con? Not funny anymore!

Comedy is pain + time in some cases
by Pace

They will have lots of time come November, and the pain, oooh,

the pain of it, will be DEEEE-lightful!!!!

YES!

Regards

Pace

Funny Conservatives
by DrNo

#1: Karl Rove. Great dancer, great one-liner.

#2: Ronald Reagan. Great communicator, comedian.

#3: GHWB: Funny line dancer.

#4: GWB: Funny word dancer.

#5: Limbaugh, Coulter, et al: Hilarious comedic acts.

Conservatives are funny!

Rather bad market
by Fritz Gerlich
for a conservative comedy to be released into, don't you think? People aren't in a mood for political humor just now . . . unless maybe some Black humor.
Re: Conservative Comedy Sucks
by AlAllTheTime

Say don't you remember Jackie Mason's line about how he took a trip to Puerto Rico - he wanted to get his tires back?

Say don't you remember that no matter how funny that line was, it's still pretty unfunny how he helped to popularize the Koch ethos, and thereby prepare us for Lieberman and Bloomberg?

Re: Conservative Comedy Sucks
by NickD

But they are great at creating Tragedy and Drama....

Oh, you meant the movies, sorry.

Many years ago...
by Archaeopteryx
...Larry King asked Elayne Boosler why most comedians were Democrats. Her response "It takes a certain amount of intelligence to be funny."
You've got a great point here, one worth
by Inkberrow

exploring at greater length. Why do progressive worldviews seem more conducive to comedy, and conservative to action/drama? Make love not war? Can we have the luxury of comedy without the relative stability wrought by conservative sensibilities? But so many of the best comedies are black comedies, like Strangelove, hardly escapist or conservative. I tried to think of good conservative comedy (of recent vintage) and what I can think of is not really coonservative anyway, but equal-opportunity skewering to include progressive shibboleths---something like Team America: World Police.

This weekend I did see the modern-day Progressive Action Flick with its predictable special effects and predictable special social-engineering effects in place: Eagle Eye, with the eminently likable Shia LaBoeuf, and produced by one of our greatest modern-day pedagogues, Steven Spielberg. It goes without saying that (unlike Hollywood types) money-hungry capitalists are without exception dangerous and ignoble in film---and these days who can argue? But Spiel-berg gives us a few more wishful truisms for impressionable youth, almost social-engineering product placements:

---High tech intelligence gathering (by the U.S. government, that is) is Dangerous and Immoral, and axiomatically subject to Unforeseen Mistakes and Corruption, as are the (white male) practitioners of the art

---The vast majority of the time, Arab Muslims are either falsely or mistakenly (see above) accused of terrorist acts, or the propensity thereto; when they do resort to violence, it is a Regrettable but Completely Understandable Reaction to the foregoing failure of American technology or integrity

---Among U.S. government staffers at the highest levels, twenty- and thirty-something African-Americans who look like underwear models predominate, and a good thing too, as they are without exception the smartest, most heroic and most principled of all government personnel

Re: You've got a great point here, one worth
by thelyamhound

Why do progressive worldviews seem more conducive to comedy, and conservative to action/drama?

I'm not 100% sure that's true, but it's true enough that it's worth addressing. I'll get to where I disagree later.

The latter question is easier: without a manichean certainty that the evil, the "black" of a black/white dichotomy, exists and requires suppression through violence, there is no reason for the action of an action movie to occur. In order then, to depart from the conservative mode of action movie, you either need to create a nihilistic action movie, one in which questions of good and evil are moot and violence is simply a mechanical result of cause and effect (a mode first introduced in surrealist cinema, some horror, and later adapted to action cinema during the French New Wave and the Hollywood Renaissance, later gone burlesque in the cinema of Tarantino, Rodriguez, and, sometimes, the Coen Brothers).

As to comedy, I think we almost have to go to the Greeks. Whereas tragedy showed the ideal condition of man marred by man's inescapable flaws--what would later, in Judaism and Christianity, be translated to "original sin" and the fallen condition of man--comedy celebrated this fallen condition, showing man getting away with it (at least until the last moment, when censorious authorities were appeased by half-hearted punishments of vice). Vice, in other words, is the heart of comedy. Virtue is just plain not funny.

Can we have the luxury of comedy without the relative stability wrought by conservative sensibilities?

Well, no. And that's where there's sort of a subliminal "thanks" to tradition mores--to an element of conservatism--in all comedy; without a normative standard, vice has little power to sustain itself, let alone to amuse.

But so many of the best comedies are black comedies, like Strangelove, hardly escapist or conservative. I tried to think of good conservative comedy (of recent vintage) and what I can think of is not really coonservative anyway, but equal-opportunity skewering to include progressive shibboleths---something like Team America: World Police.

Fun flick, even if I didn't agree with all its politics or views on certain celebrities.

I think you're touching on something important here, though: even political comedy is often apolitical, or at least non-partisan. Comedy is most successful when it addresses human foible--pride, rashness, inertia, insubordination, foolishness--and human foible knows no party.

When it is partisan--when it deliberately satires one side from the point of view of the other--it's usually best served by liberal views on the human condition for the reasons mentioned above. One must sympathize with "evil" for true comedy to be possible.

That said, the one successful comedic voice from the right I can think of is Whit Stillman (Metropolitan, Barcelona, The Last Days of Disco). He's an incorrigible bore in interviews, a whining dandy and fop who actually makes me understand, in a way I never could as a victimized youth, the impulse toward bullying; I'd yank his underwear so high his balls would interfere with his capacity for speech. But his movies are actually quite witty, illustrating the foibles of his trust-fund social Darwinists while pointing out with even greater ferocity the hypocrisy of their critics and the inchoate intellects and unappreciated privilege of the bourgeois socialist (or, in Barcelona, the hilarious gaps in the knowledge of American-hating Euro-bohemians). I don't agree with his politics, but I love his dialogue, and I think his view of human foible is astute.

. . . the eminently likable Shia LaBoeuf . . .

You think? I'm not sold on him at all.

It goes without saying that (unlike Hollywood types) money-hungry capitalists are without exception dangerous and ignoble in film---and these days who can argue?

Well, it used to be communists. Nazis were always handy, because no one in his or her right mind doesn't hate Nazis, but you can only use them so many times before you mar your credibility.

I said above that action movies tend to be conservative (when they're not nihilistic) because they're manichean. I think what you're noting here is that when they're not conservative, they're often still partisan because there needs to be that kernel of conflict between good and evil; when they skew left, then, they simply concern themselves with the left's somewhat own absolutes. That capitalists are untrustworthy is, unfortunately (despite the evils of capitalism--Enron, subprime mortgages, Adam Sandler--the capacity of the market to connect goods with their prospective consumers represents the best our sorry little gnat of a species has managed to come up with as a way of dealing with resources), one of those axioms they're willing to accept, their own "black" in the manichean sense.

---High tech intelligence gathering (by the U.S. government, that is) is Dangerous and Immoral, and axiomatically subject to Unforeseen Mistakes and Corruption, as are the (white male) practitioners of the art

Here is where I am pretty much a contemporary leftist. That said, I would more willingly subject myself to such monitoring if I lived in a culture where more or less anything that didn't have a direct, empirically definable victim was essentially legal. If I knew I couldn't be arrested for my sodomy or drug use, I almost thrill to the notion of commiting it to video; if I knew my consumption of transgressive works and treatises wouldn't be seen as threatening, or serve as a bar to my gainful employment, I wouldn't much care about my records being subject to perusal.

---Among U.S. government staffers at the highest levels, twenty- and thirty-something African-Americans who look like underwear models predominate, and a good thing too, as they are without exception the smartest, most heroic and most principled of all government personnel

I think you're missing a more important point here, which is that these sorts are simply the prettiest to look at according to the current aesthetic paradigm. No one wishes more than I that pale, hairy-torsoed bald guys were the flavor du jour, but it's just not the way of things.

Oh, and (POSSIBLE SPOILERS), from what I've heard, Eagle Eye ultimately deals in a less partisan fear, one that also drives 2001, The Terminator, and The Matrix (which is why I partially object to the top poster's characterization of The Matrix as a "liberal" actioner), which is a mistrust of machines, a notion that actually takes us to questions that have preoccupied sci-fi and horror since at least the publication of Mary Shelley's Frankenstein.

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