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still missing the point
by im1
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Your article still emphasizes the negative idea of stigmatization of fat, in the guise that it was disingenuous for scientists to advise against dumping your fat friends while advising you to get some skinny friends too. I believe you have made a fallacious argument based on there only being so much time in the day and if you spend one hour playing basketball with your skinny friend you will have to subtract that hour from your friendship time with your fat friend. However, people do not live in a world of binary choices. Perhaps that hour for the new skinny friend comes from the time you used to sit on the couch watching TV by yourself and eating potato chips, not from the hour you spent with your fat friend.

Most importantly you have made another leap of logic by saying that fat stigma is the way to keep people thin. How do you know active stigma and active "don't get fat" messages are how thin people stay thin and encourage others in their social network to do the same? Is thinness spread by thin people telling other thin people not to get fat? Or is thinness spread by a subtle promotion of being active and eating well? Fat people aren't spreading fat by telling their friends to be fat, so why would you assume that telling people to be skinny would be effective? Isn't it more likely that I have friends that I admire that are skinny, these friends like to hike and tell me about hiking. Then, I think, hiking sounds like fun, I'm going to do more of it. Nobody told me I was fat and to cut it out. I think you are missing the subtle/subconscious way these messages spread- (getting fat or staying fit), which is really the most surprising part of the study.

not logical and selfish
by Daisy76

I agree that it is a leap to assume that stigmatization of overweight people will help the problem. The central finding here seems to me to be that positive re-enforcement works. Friends shape and reenforce your views by agreeing with you not by stigmatizing you when you disagree. In a healthy friendship you don't modify your behavior because a friend is mean to you you modify your behavior because you want to please your friend.

I think the article also took a very selfish approach to looking at this issue. Presumably the influence goes both ways. Your overweight friend affects you but you also affect him/her. So if your normal weight and habits will have a positive influence on your friend withdrawing your friendship would be potentially detrimental to them. And you would positively affect obesity as a public health issue by remaining friends with people of all weights.

I guess I just see this as a problem to be fixed by cooperation and not by competition. Instead of segregation and stigmatization why not encouragment and tolerence. If fat spreads culturally why not skinny?

In addition I would just like to say that this is what happens when people in the hard sciences try to tackle an issue that deals with culture. They don't have the tools for the job. I think what we need here is an anthropologist who specalizes in medical issues.

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