Rob1:

Did I understand you to say that you were voting Republican this year?

I'm not. And I'm not voting Democratic either.

I'll follow Hurricane's lead and vote Libertarian.

I can't endorse either major candidate, and Palin IS NOT a babe,

I've had better even when blind, staggering drunk.

I have to say I'm pleased that you've decided to abstain from supporting either side of the two-party bullshit parade we've had for decades. Though I do want to raise support for Bob Barr and the LP, I don't want you to vote against your principles. That's the important thing. But if you've made the decision to back Barr, I have to say I'm very pleased.

My mission to gain new converts here in Philly is working out well. Last week I gave a Barr flyer to a campus security officer. He looked it over and told me, "I don't like Obama or McCain. I'm gonna vote for Barr just to spite those two cocksuckers."

I made a difference. ;)

Your wasting your breath.

He is against the recent FISA reform. And he wanted Ron Paul as his mate.

You know the Guiness beer slogan? "Brilliant".

The more people you can get to vote against the establishment the better in my opinion. It was under Clinton that certain safeguards were disregarded in the banking business and that has led to this current crises. Phil Graham added more deregulation...

It is too bad that more media coverage has not been given to Bob Barr. He is too conservative for me, but I would think that many many people would find him more appealing that either Obama or McCain.

And no, I am not voting Republican. Even though I think Palin will be my next VP, I am still planning to vote for Nader. And he is the oldest one running, older than McCain, almost older than I am which is saying something.

Nader's the perennial forgotten candidate. Half the people who will vote probably won't even know he's in the race. The same might be said of Barr, but at least it's an altennative to the circus that the two-party system has become in this nation.

Just a way of registering dissatisfaction with the status quo.

I said in 2004 that serious effort needed to be applied to raising a viable third party in this nation. The abysmal choices offered by the Republicans and Democrats this year only affirms my opinion of the time. Of all the potential candidates that might have been selected to run for president, Hillary might have actually been the most capable and competent, though I have to say that I didn't like or trust her, and would not have voted for her.

McCain sold out his principles to the Bush Administration in 2004. I still like and respect him for what he endured in a North Vietnamese prison camp, and for his maverick nature as a senator, but I no longer believe him to be the man that he once was.

Obama still has too many intangibles attached to him, and will probably only succeed.in further dividing the nation if elected.

Biden, I know virtually nothing about.

I neither like or dislike Palin. Like Obama, a mixed bag with a relative lack of experience. Too many intangibles attached to the lady.

No realistic shot for Barr of course, but if he can at least make a decent showing in the race, it might wake enough people up to the fact that there are alternatives.

And alternatives are badly needed right now.

If I were still religious, I'd emulate Angel and pray for us all.

Not that God will answer.

Fools generally have to pay for their folly.

Help me out on this one, sold out to Bush in O4? I'd say he hadn't been real cozy with Bush until about that point.

Still hadn't gotten over the party going with Bush in 2000.

Cmon, did anybody see my post that included a clip from his 04 RNC Convention speech?

He called out Michael Moore, where the crowd erupted in boos and cat calls.

The way I see it, he is a guy who has been hoping in bed with Democrats, paving his own way to this point, and how have they repaid his bi-partisanship? By calling him McBush.

He has a chance to become a real conservative. Or he can continue to get in the hot tub with Democrats, and completely and forever piss off those who would vote him in over Osama.

As for the woman, she is going to be Veep so her inexperience is largely overblown.

Don't look at me, the Democrats picked someone equally as clueless for the top spot.

Oh, he agreed to go along with some of the new legislation permitting the use of torture, wjhen he had always adamntly opposed to the use of such methods. And for deeply personal reasons, since he had it used on him on many occasions.

This is what I mean by selling out. And it makes me wonder what else he might sell out in a time a crisis. Perhaps nothing, but then again, I remember the elder George Bush was opposed to tax increases, yet agreed to sign one to go along with the Democratic Congress. Which probably. more than anything, cost him the election in 92.

Clinton could lie all day long and nobody seemed to mind, but when George Sr did it just once, the public never forgot or forgave him for it.

Can't see my way clear to vote Democratic. As for Palin, I agree with you. Veep is a well paid, low status, do nothing job. No factor in who McCain picked unless McCain becomes incapacitated, and then she might turn out to be a better option than McCain.

Or she might be a total screw up. One never knows about such things.

I know voting Libertairian is wasting a vote, especially when I actually like McCain.

But I just don't believe him to be the independent maverick that he once was. And this is something needed in the White House right now.

Not that Barrr or Obama could provide that either.

Pretty depressing stste of affairs, actually.

Actually him being the Maverick is what had him and 7 other Republicans jump into the jacuzzi with Dems on blocking ANWAR in 2003.

Now he has been lumped in with the rest of the party as hand maidens for big oil.

If he is McBush then we punt his ass in 4 years. Obama will make Mugabe look like a practical fellow.

I have to question Hurricaine's scruples on this. He is a champion of Jewish issues but it is Jews who overwhelmingly vote Democrat.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, that Kerry got 75% of Jews nationwide to vote for him?

I was just thinking Hurricane would do the logical thing and try and recoup their losses after all these years of pissing ther votes away and inflating the power and ego of the Democrat party by actually voting for the Republicans this time around.

Astonishingly Jews vote left leaning towards socialism and outright communism.

Unless Hurricane is spiteful that the North woudln't have been victorious without it's Irish "Hessian" mercenaries giving Yankees backbone in the civil war, and couldn't dare vote for an Irish Shogun I guess I could begin to empathize with him.

A little societal inferiority complex? Is Barr such an outlet Hurricane?

My prediction, if Obama were to be elected by a few ticks and it was because Barr voters you would live to regret it like an abortion.

It will haunt you.

On the other hand, it could also advance the cause of separation.

Hard to say, actually, who Barr would be taking votes from. None of us seem too enthused with the staus quo, which means that he'd be likely to take votes away from both Obama and McCain.

Nothing substansiated here, but the wife told me that she heard that Obama was not too enthused by his choice of running mate, and is thinking of dropping him in favor of Hillary now that Palin is on the GOP ticket.

Just bullshit, I presume.

If I had to vote for either a Republican or Democrat this year, I'd have to go with McCain.

I assume from the tone of your response that you have alraedy decided to vote for McCain.

I might not be too hard to pursuade, but I just want some change from business as usual. But we'd probably get the business anyway, even in the unlikely event Barr got elected.

Hell of a year. man.

Well yeh, I'd say it is logic and duty. If we go another path then so be it.

McCain remains choice number one regardless.

There is two ways of rationalizing support for or against McCain. He is a traitor to his own party and we shouldn't vote for him. He should be punished for his environmental loonyism, amnesty, and over torture.

Two this guy is proof postive the political process as we know it is chicanery.

They mocked Bush cause nepotism kept him from Vietnam. Kerry was better to lead the country because of Nam.

Now that we are running McCain were back to the 1992 election where Vietnam didn't matter.

Chuck Hagel said McCain didn't really get to witness the reality on the ground. Which is partly true, he was too busy getting his neck wrung in prison to see the cluster fuck on the ground.

But really Vietnam is just window dressing for the major point that is this:

That McCain jumped into the hot tub with these people for years in the interest of putting country above party.

If you vote against him, it strengthens the notion that he is McBush, and that he really didn't try to cross the aisle at all.

And the question is what did that get him? If there was good enough excuse for civil war that is it.

You always hear politicians strive for what he has done.

A guy like McCain, geniune war hero, bi-partisan crusader, is just McBush, and they want to put an "empty suit" in there over him?

Here we have Israel's days apparently numbered. The big one is coming.

And Hurricaine answer is to trot out Bob Barr a guy who is has the potential to be Neville Chamberlain?

At least with Obama you have some strong rhetoric, even if he is largely full of shit.

Barr would not only would be weak, he would not feel compelled to act in any situation demanding force.