There are so many posts in here that use the language "teenage mothers" or "unwed teenagers" or the like.

Abortion rights affect us ALL. Women in their 20s, 30s, 40s need the choice too. MARRIED women, SINGLE women, ALL women. Many of the issues a teenager would face don't really change, except for some reason we think that as you get older there's no reason to opt for abortion. But really, what is different? If a woman can't or doesn't want a pregnancy for whatever reason, how is it any different from a girl who can't have or doesn't want one? The choice needs to be there for women in their 40s who may already have 3 kids, or a woman in her 30s who is serving society without kids, or a woman in her 20s who doesn't feel she's ready. The arguement is that these women are using birth control, and yeah, they probably are. But it can fail, and then you've got an adult feeling like they've got less options and less control over their bodies than a teenager because there's "no reason" not sustain the pregnancy.

The theory then is not exactly to have your cake and eat it, but more like give me the cake I'll have the icing and eat it too, then throw the rest in the garbage disposal. I'll eat icing every day and still be nourished just like others and I'll throw the cake and rest of the meal away, still have it, and live just like every one else.

Don't get me wrong I understand that good people may or may not want kids in their lifetime if you truly don't, try tubal ligation. I have only a half inch scar from mine and if I lost weight it would be invisible. Then you don't have to think about cake or birth control or children and you can yell at children that pass by so they won't bug you. K?

Thank you for getting a tibal ligation. Please continue to tell your cake story to the other people in your congregation, or group home. Maybe it will inspire them to get tubals also. But instead of yelling at the kids, you can throw them all the left-over cake. That would be nice.

See, you just don't come in this forum to debate or discuss it's first one to draw blood wins. People like you are why people like me take pills. But I'll take the smarmy cake theory over abortion as birth control any day.

I didn't say it was "birth control." That's hate mongering.No one wants to have an abortion. Having an abortion would be a horrible experience, but for many people pregnancy or motherhood would also be horrible experience.

Also why do you assume that people don't want kids because just because they don't want to be "bugged." Having a kid is an enormous biological, economic, and social process that makes you a different person mentally and physically. It isn't like adopting a dog. That's what I don't understand about "pro-lifers"- you say that having kids is the most important and sacred thing, but you seem to take it so lightly.

What is this "cake" you're speaking of??? Sex? So basically you don't think a women of any age should ever have sex once in their lives, even if they use contraception, if they can't have or don't want children. Yeah, that's realistic thinking. You know, there are other points to a relationship than procreation. Luckily that's why we have birth control,. But since it's not 100%, that means we should never use it. because if you're using birth control it means you don't want kids, but if you don't want pregnancy/kids, but since birth control could possibly fail, then you'd have to have an abortion, so you should never have sex, period. Ha! I'd like to see all the "pro-life" men out there agreeing to this, they'd never get any! For many, many people getting pregnant is a nightmare- personally I can't imagine it, I don't believe my body was meant for it. So I do everything in my power to make sure I never have to get pregnant OR have an abortion. Some people don't take as many precautions, though they feel the same way. Accidents happen, abuse happens, rape happens, nature happens.

And what is the difference between getting your tubes tied and having an abortion when it comes down to it? Both are highly invasive surgeries that could have major side effects. And what about women who can't have/don't want a pregnancy now, but might in the future?

Ouch! Don't I feel like Rush Limbaugh at a Liberal Luau? Stick an apple in my mouth and call me a conservative why don't you?

Actually the main purpose of sex in humans is not reproduction but pair bond formation and maintenance. If reproduction were the objective of sex, we would have it once or twice a year like other animals do. Because immature humans (children) take so long to mature nature has taken special care to keep couples together, it does this by reinforcing the bond between them with sex. Most animals only mate when fertilization is possible.

The religious fanatics who would have you believe indulging in lots of sex is animal like have got it backwards. Only (other) animals have sex just to make babies.

Buggie and Dancingrabbit you make excellent points.

The only thing I would add for the benefit of our Polkadotprincess is that a significant portion of women who decide to have an abortion are already mothers of several children. Their pregnancy comes in the rare case of contraceptive failure and they just can't afford more kids, particularly in our society where 45 million middle class people have no health insurance (incidentally, a tubal cauterization has to be done in a hospital, it's much more serious than an abortion, it is very expensive and it is irreversible, unlike many vasectomies. By the way, Princess, did you have health insurance and did it cover your procedure? Do you have just one sex partner and, if so, why wasn't he the one to get the much less invasive vasectomy?)