Right to lifers are often assailed for their indifferance to the fate of people after birth, there is some validity to this. But the point that Pro-choice folks miss is that anti-abortion has very little to do with the fetus.

Our society has devolved to the point that the reason for a position doesn't matter as long as there is a "cover" reason.
After having spoken with a number of anti-abortion activists and inquiring why they are also opposed to contraception, I have concluded they are really against sex. (except within the confines of their particular religious beliefs-marriage) Pregnancy outside of wedlock is supposed to be punished, just like Adam and Eve. It's about control.

Many reasonable people find it puzzling why so little fuss is made of fertility clinics and their wholesale disposal of fertilized embryos. Part of it, I'm sure, is that this is a battle they don't think they can win. Others have commented "at least they are creating a life. Huh? I thought this was supposed to be absolute.

You are correct that the Republican party position has nothing to do with human life, at whatever stage they decree it exists, and everything to do with gaining and holding onto political power.

Were Fertility Clinics no able to fertilize hundreds or more eggs at a time, inserting up to a dozen at once, then "thinning the herd" once implantation occurred, all of those desperate, infertile couples would not be available to the GOP base. And that would likely tip the political balance.

So Republicans will never go after the fertility clinics. No matter what.

Don't buy into the hype Philadelphia Steve, please as your fellow American I'm duty bound to tell you that if you listen to a steady diet of CNN or FOX news by November you'll be telling us all that Republicans are the anti-christ or Elvis or something like that. Been there, done that NOT FUN but if you do let me assure you that post election therapy will calm you down till the Senate races in 2010.

(This post is a light-hearted joke, but then again it does happen)

I completely agree.

I posted something similar in another thread. This is why it's always TEENAGE pregnancy we're concerned with- the religious right believes that everyone gets married at the age of 20, and it not, you are unfit to bear children for whatever reason. I find it interesting that women in their 20s, 30s, and 40s are never brought into the discussion. it's because the religious right thinks we're all 1) married or 2) shouldn't be having sex because we're not married or 3) are married and WANT kids. There's no other explanation- they are against sex. they are against single people. they are against people who don't want children or don't want to experience pregnancy.

I don't like people assuming that just because I am old enough and established enough to have a kid I would relish a pregnancy.

And I COMPLETELY AGREE that fertility clinics should be treated as the other side of the coin of abortion clinics. No one EVER talks about how unnatural it is for women to be giving birth to litters. If "god" doesn't want to you HAVE children, why is ok to take it upon yourself? There are evolutionary reasons that people are infertile. If they can mess with "god's will" then they have to afford others the same right.

"After having spoken with a number of anti-abortion activists and inquiring why they are also opposed to contraception, I have concluded they are really against sex. (except within the confines of their particular religious beliefs-marriage)"

Can you describe the backgrounds of these people? I'm a Catholic, and although the Catholic Church is officially against birth control, I have literally never in my life met a Catholic who is actually against birth control, except maybe for an IUD.

Again, can you please describe these individuals who are supposedly against even birth control?

While we're on the subject of "cover arguments," I've come to conclude that the red herring of "choice" is just cover for a person who wants to be able to destroy a human life if it is expedient to do so. They don't honestly finish the whole sentence which is, "I am for giving women the choice to destroy a fetus in their womb." They just reduce it to a bumper sticker: "Choice." As if we're talking about a woman's right to choose what she will have on her pizza.

PS - I am pro-abortion rights. I hate abortion but can, ahem, live with it as it is currently legal. But I am honest about it: Pro-abortion rights, not "pro-choice."

"You are correct that the Republican party position has nothing to do with human life, at whatever stage they decree it exists, and everything to do with gaining and holding onto political power."

No, there truly are people who are passionately against abortion and other forms of killing human beings, who have gone to the GOP because that's the only place in national politics they have to go.

Try to imagine a world, Steve, where people who you differ with might actually be just as decent, kind, humanistic, loving, intelligent, well-intentioned and well-informed as you. And then have an argument with them on that basis. Try it. You may like it.