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At the altar of the church of Abortion.
by FordTruck5Speed

Sometimes I think that abortion "rights" advocacy is a religion in and of itself. I read articles like this and I have to ask myself why so many people seem to be enamored with abortions. The complaint here doesn't make any sense. We are talking about people that we recognize as children in every other aspect of life. They aren't allowed to vote. They're not allowed to drink beer. IF they're allowed to drive, they can't do it after midnight. They can't rent a car and they can't even buy a $1 scratch-off lottery ticket. Hell, they can't even go on a school field trip without written parental consent. Yet, some continuously make the argument that they should have abortions without even notifying the parents. Something's wrong here.

This author states that these "adolescents" are "transitioning" into adulthood. This, by definition, means that they are not adults yet. I find it rather perplexing that a we can be so inconsistent as a society. Think about it. If the kid does something stupid, don't we hold the parents responsible? If a kid wrecks mom's minivan, doesn't the parents' car insurance go up? Hell, don't we even claim our minor children (yes, even 17 year-olds) as "dependents" on our taxes? Why, then, is abortion so important to these believers that parents shouldn't have a say in the matter, or in many cases, even know about the pregnancy?

You can believe what you want about abortion. However, it is the right of parents to handle their children and their children's mistakes their way. As this author indicates, "adolescents" don't necessarily have the wherewithal to make the right choices. If we're going to hold parents responsible for their kids until those kids turn 18, then the parents have an absolute right to deal with their kids' screw-ups in the manner they see fit.

Re: At the altar of the church of Abortion.
by Frazzle McHavok
FordTruck5Speed:

However, it is the right of parents to handle their children and their children's mistakes their way. As this author indicates, "adolescents" don't necessarily have the wherewithal to make the right choices. If we're going to hold parents responsible for their kids until those kids turn 18, then the parents have an absolute right to deal with their kids' screw-ups in the manner they see fit.

Joseph Fritzl arees.

God and abortion.
by IncogNeato

I am a practicing Christian. I resent when people like yourself claim that only the ungodly would see abortion as acceptable under any circumstances. I would not choose it, and I wouldn't counsel anyone to do so, but neither would I condemn someone for having an abortion.

Abortion is, or should be, a rather desperate measure. When I find out someone I know has made this choice, which happens less now that I and my friends are middle aged, I assume that this person was in a pretty desperate situation, or perceived herself to be, in order to make this decision.

In the Talmudic era (look it up), the unborn was considered potential life. That's what I consider it. There were penalties for killing the unborn, but there were exceptions for such reasons as the woman's health was frail and undue stress would be placed upon her body to deliver the child. The existing life of the mother trumped the potential life of the unborn.

This is how it should be today. Not every woman who is, for instance, 3 months pregnant today and who does not opt for an abortion will give birth to a live, healthy child. That is why the unborn's life is potential. Most people want to have their unborn child become their child in truth. But if they choose not to, and that choice is wrong, that is for God Himself to deal with, not me. But go ahead and throw stones, if you like. I'm sure that's what you think Jesus would have done.

Re: At the altar of the church of Abortion.
by IncogNeato
FordTruck5Speed:

the parents have an absolute right to deal with their kids' screw-ups in the manner they see fit.

By that logic, if a 5-year old stole a candy bar, the parents would be well within their rights to lock the child in the dark, damp basement for a week as punishment. Forcing a teen to bear a child can have lifelong medical implications, not to mention financial ones if the teen actually raises the child herself, or emotional ones if another member of her family does. Pretty big punishment for two minutes of passion.
Re: At the altar of the church of Abortion.
by Irdim
What if the teen wants to have the baby and the parents want her to make an abortion? Should they have the right to force her?
glad to see you support abortion
by jazzguitarman

Since you support parental rights I assume you support the rights of the parents to MANDATE an abortion. YES, force their child to HAVE AN ABORTION.

My assumption is logical based on your own words in your post;

However, it is the right of parents to handle their children and their children's mistakes their way.

Their way, ALSO includes mandating an abortion, right?

ford answered that question
by jazzguitarman

Didn't you see what he said;

However, it is the right of parents to handle their children and their children's mistakes their way.

We have to assume that THEIR WAY includes an abortion OR we have to assume the top poster is a moron.

I know which one I'm assuming!@

Did you read the post?
by Eigenvector
I don't remember him making any claims about God and abortion. Maybe I missed it, but it sure wasn't what I took out of his rather even-handed post.
Re: ford answered that question
by guamania
I know that I'm assuming that people who call those whose views they don't share morons are small-minded jerks!
Re: God and abortion.
by guamania

Incogneato, although I don't always agree with you I do enjoy your reasonable and well-thought out posts.

However, did we read two different top posts? I didn't see one word relating to God or religion, other than a glancing reference to perceived fanaticism of some abortion-rights advocates.

Re: God and abortion.
by FordTruck5Speed

Wow, let the mischaracterizations begin.

First of all, when did I "throw stones" at anyone? Incog, you completely miss the point. I'm talking about a gross inconsistency in our society whereby we make 17 year-olds get parental permission to go on a school field trip but doctors aren't allowed to tell parents of their child's pregnancy, or that parents have no say in how they raise thier child (read, whether or not to accept abortion as a form of birth control).

Second, if I were to declare that life begins at conception (also a long-held belief in this world), I would be chastised until the cows came home. How dare I make such a claim, yadda yadda. Well, you're making the blanket statement that a child yet unborn is not life. I've seen people make the claim that post-birth abortions are acceptable. Kind of like a trial period for your baby. So, where are we drawing the line? I'm sorry I digress, because that isn't even the point of my post.

FT5S: the parents have an absolute right to deal with their kids' screw-ups in the manner they see fit.

By that logic, if a 5-year old stole a candy bar, the parents would be well within their rights to lock the child in the dark, damp basement for a week as punishment. Forcing a teen to bear a child can have lifelong medical implications, not to mention financial ones if the teen actually raises the child herself, or emotional ones if another member of her family does. Pretty big punishment for two minutes of passion.

And liberals say we conservatives live on the slippery slope. Yeah, genius. I'm saying that parents should hold a public hanging if their kid swipes a pack of Juicy Fruit. Good grief. Seriously though, if parents have raised thier children with the understanding that abortion is the wrongful killing of an unborn child, the decision of whether or not to have a baby has already been made once those thighs parted. That would be referred to as a "consequence" of having sex. Talk about a life lesson. It's one that has been learned the hard way in the past, and I'm sure that if people were forced to take responsibility for their own actions, many problems would solve themselves. By the way, I'm not talking about an 11 year old that got duped by a 16 year old. Yes, in that case serious medical conditions can arise, and then you're also talking about the "rape and incest" qualifier that even Catholics will concede to. Oh, and have you ever heard of "adoption?" Just sayin'...

As much as it irritates me, abortions are not only legal, they are readily available. That is an unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless. There are liberal parents that think that a baby is a punishment (wait...didn't a presidential candidate say something about that?) that their poor son or daughter shouldn't have to deal with. That's where we are in today's society. Abortion is a choice. A pretty crappy one, but a choice nonetheless. I will say that yes, I strongly disagree with a parent's decision to force an abortion when teens act mature enough to take responsibility for their own actions. I obviously don't support abortion, as Guitar-zan claims. Unfortunately, it's within their rights as parents.

Many of the responses I received here are proof of what I'm saying. The belief in abortion rights, for some at least, is bordering on a cult-like religion. Make any mention of inconsistencies or disagreements in any way, people cannot discern fact from opinion and go right onto the offensive, thus implying or even directly accusing any pro-lifer of hypocrisy, such as in Jazz-boy's post. I admit it's kind of fun triggering the knee-jerk reactions. Once in a while, though, it would be nice if we could read the words on the screen and take them for what they are.

Re: ford answered that question
by jazzguitarman

Hey MORON, it has nothing to do with the view's someone shares but only when they are inconsistent with their logic.

Now FORD is NOT inconsistent, in other words he would allow the parents to force an abortion since the parents have the final say. So Ford is consistent in his logic and thus not a moron.

You on the other hand, oh well!

Re: ford answered that question
by guamania

Hey buttface!

You're a stupidhead!

Re: . . . that even Catholics will concede to.
by NFP Guy
FT5S, if you are referring to the general population of Catholics, perhaps that is true, but as far as the official position of the RCC, there is no concession, as you phrase it, for rape or incest.
Re: . . . that even Catholics will concede to.
by FordTruck5Speed

NFP, to clarify, I'm not talking about the Pope or the official "church position." I'm talking about Bob, Chuck and Joey Catholic that work over on Smithfield Street.

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