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I still don't know what community organizers do.
by bcoates

Seriously, for all this talk about how important or unimportant community organizers are, I don't think I've ever met one and I'm pretty sure I've never been community organized. Is this some sort of bizarre oversight and everyone else knows their local community organizer? Maybe it's an east coast thing, like White Castle?

When a Community Organizer starts work in the morning, how exactly do they spend the next 8 hours? If there's different kinds, what exactly was Obama doing?

Re: I still don't know what community organizers do.
by Johnclyde
Something most cons cannot apprehend! They help people! Not just Corporations ! McCain is a Big Oil community organizer!
Re: I still don't know what community organizers do.
by middleview

There was an interview on NPR with the guy who hired Obama to that job. He talked about what Obama did and the short answer is that Obama came in, listened to what the concerns of the local citizens were and helped them lobby the city and state government to overcome the impact of factory shutdowns by getting government to help with retraining programs. He studied options and presented them to the citizens so they would know how to most effectively talk to their elected representatives. The alternative would be for the voters to wait for their elected reps to come up with solutions on their own.....

Did Obama do a good job of helping others with a very low rate of personal financial benefit? Yes.

Re: I still don't know what community organizers do.
by American_Bottom
bcoates:

Seriously, for all this talk about how important or unimportant community organizers are, I don't think I've ever met one and I'm pretty sure I've never been community organized. Is this some sort of bizarre oversight and everyone else knows their local community organizer? Maybe it's an east coast thing, like White Castle?

When a Community Organizer starts work in the morning, how exactly do they spend the next 8 hours? If there's different kinds, what exactly was Obama doing?

A community organizer (which is, admittedly, a clumsy wording for what it is meant to describe), is someone who recognizes that there is some gross inequity or sore spot within the community, i.e., neighborhood, or borough, or parish, or district, etc. S/he then agitates in ways great and small to rectify the problem, such as handing out fliers, posting notices, attending city council meetings, writing letters to the editor, but mainly just physically being a presence in the streets and parks and churches and other focal points, in order to draw attention to and create a consensus of others in the community about the need for a solution to the identified problem.

What these folks organize is in fact a groundswell of voices and actions that force city leaders to take notice of their mutual concerns, and then do something to alleviate whatever those concerns are.

In other words, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Well let me ask you this....
by Trebuchet

Did you buy all that empty rhetoric coming from the Republican party last week concerning Community Organizers without even knowing what a community organizer was?

Or did you make the logical assumption that while you are, in effect, ignorant of the issue at hand, it is safe to assume that the Republican Party was simply taking advantage of your ignorance and playing on this theme?

I have a neighbor that is a community organizer. Among other things, she has managed to get a living wage for city janitors, and helped put together several employee owned businesses.

As a teen, she won a landmark Supreme Court decision. This is a Midwest Woman (we have White Castle too) who never doubted that she could do anything she believed in.

I forget - what landmark Supreme Court Decision did you bring about? How about Sarah Palin?

So Obama was a low level
by Demcon
ombudsman and a state senator who mostly voted 'present' and a first term U.S. Senator who's mostly voted 'present' and that qualifies him to be president, how?
What landmark Supreme Court
by Demcon

Decision did Obama bring about? Oh . . . wait . . . you are saying that because ONE community organizer once helped bring about a landmark Supreme Court decision this somehow means something in regards to Obama's qualifications for president?

Hows that work, then. Is it some form of political transference? Magic?

Re: So Obama was a low level
by middleview

Mostly voted present? Prove it.

Obama and Biden have a proven record of doing what is right for the average voter, instead of doing well for themselves.

Palin borrowed $3,000 per citizen of Wasila to pay for a sports complex. She fired people who disagreed with her (even the librarian for not pulling books that Palin didn't like)....

Taking credit....
by middleview

Much like McCain claiming "We passed the (Webb) GI Bill", when he wasn't even there that day. He fought against the bill and tried to keep it from getting out of committee. Then he went to a fund raising on the day of the vote.....

Re: So Obama was a low level
by Beathan

The whole deal on the "present" votes in Ill. is entirely misunderstood. These votes are part of a parliamentary maneuver that works in Illinois and some other states -- where different rules apply when a measure fails as opposed to when a measure merely fails to pass despite a quorum. Because sometimes there are benefits when a measure neither passes nor fails, despite there being a voting quorum, good legislators in Illinois frequently vote "present." Obama's record of "present" votes is entirely unremarkable -- legislators of both parties have similar records.

Please do some research before repeating the more stupid McCain talking points.

Beathan

Re: I still don't know what community organizers do.
by Beathan

This GOP attack on community organizers is an attempt to run with a wedge issue (a Republican specialty), this time between small towns and large cities -- with a calculation that the suburbs will fall in with the small towns. As with most GOP wedge issues -- this one includes heavy doses of deception and hypocrisy.

The GOP loves to play up "small town values." Other than sometime small-mindedness and anchronisism, there is a lot to be said for "small town values." At their best, these values reflect that small towns are communities where everyone knows and cares about everyone else. This produces friendliness and helpfulness -- and these, in turn, cause the towns to pull together as a community when something happens to a member of the community (a house burns town, a person is injured in a car accident, etc.). This unified spirit also helps people who live in small towns feel that they have a common cause with their fellow-townsmen, often allowing town government to proceed more by consensus than by power-play politics (although Wasilla, under Palin, was a notable exception to this rule). This consensus also applies to how the town and its residents interact with and respond to the larger world. There is something deeply comforting and very healthy about these aspect of small town life.

The problem is that many of us (indeed most of us) don't live in small towns. We live in much larger, much more anonymous, much less cohesive settings -- large cities and their suburbs. At their worst, these cities and suburbs do not deserve to be called "communities" because the word "community" implies something shared, some mutual concern, something that ties people together in a social network.

People living in small towns rightly see that something is lost in big city life (and even in suburban life). This is why they value small towns and "small town values." Folks from small towns are not wrong. People who live in cities and suburbs, especially those who live in large cities, know and feel the absence of a community every moment of every day -- feeling displaced, forgotten, tossed-aside by an uncaring world into a sea of humanity that is far from humane and something less than human.

Community organizers come to this impersonal and inhuman sea of humanity and organize it, recreating small towns and small town values within large cities by organizing communities within them. These efforts create a social network of common causes and concerns, building relationships between and among people which, as with small towns, produces friendiness and helpfulness. Community organizers allow people who live anonymous lives in large and impersonal cities to nonetheless pull together when something bad happens to a member of the newly-organized community, or to proactively prevent the harms (gang violence, etc.) that results when people live without community.

That is what community organizers do. That is what Obama did as a young man. These are noble goals carried out by noble people -- God's work. It is, frankly, disgusting, dishonest and hypocritical for Republicans, who praise small-town values to the sky (and to the exclusion of the real faults of small towns and their values) to disparage the efforts of people trying to share what is best about small towns with folks who live in large cities.

Beathan

Re: So Obama was a low level
by Brollens
Mccain has not voted on any issue since the campaign began. (the percentages below represent the number of votes missed):

SENATE:

  • John McCain (R) - 53.1%
  • Joseph Biden (D) - 35.4%
  • Christopher Dodd (D) - 33.9%
  • Barack Obama (D)- 33.7%
  • Hillary Clinton (D) - 18.2%
Unfortunately for the Democrats,
by Demcon

not all voters share your elevated level of utter stupidity. With McCain's voting record as a proven reform minded, bipartisan Senator he can go on the campaign trail without harming his record.

But . . . and here's the real shocker . . . a frist term U.S. Senator CANNOT do the same thing and still seem impressive so far as his voting record is concerned. It's unfair, I know, but experience and a proven record actually does count . . . well it counts for anyone NOT a foam at the brain-pan Obama fanatic.

Re: Unfortunately for the Democrats,
by middleview

McCain hasn't shown up for a vote since the end of February, yet continues to collect his paycheck.

I want a job like that.

Re: I still don't know what community organizers do.
by fefairman
This is off topic, but the east coast has very few White Castles. They are a distinctly Midwestern thing.
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