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Unlike Hillary, Paulin got there on her own merits...
by widowson

....not via a political marriage.

Isn't that one way she's more "feminist"? A woman who succeedes on her own merits, hard work, and drive rather than the last name of the guy she married?

Oh, but Paulin's not a feminist because she opposes abortion, right?

The #1 reason for abortions worldwide is to destroy female fetuses.

Why does feminism embrace something without considering how many women it's destroying?

Re: Unlike Hillary, Paulin got there on her own merits...
by crucker

Hmmm. Let me get this straight...

Hilldawg got there because she married a man who was there before...then ran her own campaign.

The Palinator got there because some guy who was top dog picked her to be his running mate.

Either way, neither got their on their own merits, right? Palin just got picked.

abortion of female fetus SAME as forcing to cont. pregrancy
by maddscientist

Feminism is about pushing societies and governments to treat women as equally as they do men. Palin's anti-equal pay for equal work is not fair.

Communist countries like China who control women's reproductive rights are EXACTLY what the Pro-life activities want for American Women-for the government to control their uterus and ovaries. Instead of forcing women NOT to have children, they want to FORCE women to crack out babies.

Male-dominated countries that engage in sex-selection (selecting for male fetus) are also EXACTLY like the Pro-life people. Husbands and other male elders force women to carry male fetus and deny them females. Forcing American women to carry fetus' to birth is still an external group making decisions for women about their own fetus'.

What country in the world has laws on the books forcing men to make or not make fetus'. What country in the world promotes male virginity? If there were equal attempts to control male reproduction (responsible for spreading their seed, making more children than they can take care of) you may have grounds for a debate.

The goal is and has always been control over women, their sexuality and their sexual and reproductive organs. This is why there is a law now forcing women to read that an abortion is the lost of a "baby"(babies are live births). Women are too stupid to know which surgical procedure they are getting.

women who lead vs. women who gain power through marriage
by maddscientist

P.S. Palin is not only against abortion, she is also against the use of contraceptives like birth-control pills, IUDs, depo, female diaphragms. All methods that have given women the freedom to work in male-dominated fields and plan for their pregnancies based on their income, family situation, and ability to stay-home with their children as needed.

Forgot to add I do agree with you regarding Palin being elected based on her OWN resume instead of her husbands. The two schools of female leaders are those who claim to the top based on their own efforts (Pelosi, Margaret Thatcher, Angela Merkel, Golda Meir of Israel etc.) vs. those who inherit the position based on family member (Benazir Bhutto, Queens of England, Indira Gandhi).

If Bill was dead, the support in Hillary Clinton would have been the same as support for Elizabeth Dole. Senator Clinton never showed a resume of elected positions apart from the senate.

The release of the White House archives proven that after the Health care disaster, all her duties were related to regular 1st Lady hosting duties. Her claim of being involved with international policies such as in Ireland and the Middle East have been proven false. Additionally if she had been so involved in policy during her husbands term in office, she would be smart enough to know that her Iraq vote gave Bush the power to invade Iraq. I am willing to bet even the apolitical Laura Bush could have seen that coming a mile away.

Pelosi gave birth and raised 5 children in additional to working her way up to being 2 heart beats away from the presidency. She had to deal with much, much worse sexism during her local and national campaigns. (Memoir: Know your Power). The worse thing about the Clinton Campaign is how much her supporters have bashed Pelosi-a woman who should be the feminist model.

I just couldn't support Clinton with such heroes as Golda and Merkel. The most recent Biographer for Golda (great book) was interviewed by NPR. She said that Golda always wanted to be treated as a person not a gender. She refused to support the feminist movement and hated female leaders like Clinton.

Wrong: Palin EARNED position, Clinton used Bill
by maddscientist

Palin is a right-wing religious nut who wants to ban abortion and birth-control but I do respect her for climbing to the top on her own merits. She became famous for her basketball skills, was elected first mayor and then governor based on her own merits (no family legacy, or famous last name). She beat the pants off the previous governor. I equally salute her on being #2 on the beauty pageant-competition is competition.

God save the rights of women if she is ever elected but got to give her credit where credit is due.

Hillary ran on Bill's resume as the wife of a governor and 2-time president. If Bill were dead and she was running on only the senator credential, she would have gone as far as Elizabeth Dole. When most people think Hillary Clinton, the mean Hill and Bill-two for one. The "35 years of experience" is called resume packing-If you were even 5 miles away from a policy meeting, write it down as experience. Your husband will back you up. The reason Bill is still so upset is that he knew that Sen. Clinton's votes were a vote for his experience and accomplishments.

Re: Unlike Hillary, Paulin got there on her own merits...
by Trace192
Palin was elected governor because she was a Republican not named Murkowski. She has no ability, no experience, and her only accomplishment as mayor of Wasilla was to leave the city bankrupt because of her political naivete.
bottom line-she didn't use her husband's CV
by maddscientist

She is not a V.P. candidate, BUT she ran using her OWN CV (basketball star, sharp shooter, beauty queen, whatever). Her own personal accomplishments not as a former "co-president".

There is no position in our country with the title of co-president. There are no positions in our country that account for Clinton's "35 years of experience".

I would rather hire a woman with a real CV (no matter how lame) than one who takes her husband's CV to a job interview.

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