Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 12:32 PM #
Watching the Hillary hoopla reminded me of an anecdote I read in one of Solzhenitsyn’s books where Stalin was giving a speech. The audience stood as one, clapping like crazy. The problem was, everyone feared to be the first to sit down—a sign of disaffection that might well have severe repercussions on one’s ability to stay above ground. Minute after minute passed as the audience members eyed each other, hoping someone would become exhausted first and take the burden off the rest. The ovation lasted for twenty minutes or something, until one old fart collapsed in his chair, thus freeing the remainder from their toil of tribute.
Likewise, the Dems did their best imitation of the GOPig/Soviet cult of personality politics when they made such a big deal about what was a plainly mediocre speech. Let’s be frank: given the set up, Hillary could have gone up there and queefed for half an hour and gotten the same reaction and rave reviews. This might work for people who feel comfortable living in a scripted imitation of real life, but for me, it’s a sad commentary on the extent to which our public life has become so fucking stage managed, so predictably predictable.
I suppose one might expect this kind of play acting as a final coda to the political dominance of the Boomers. A more self indulgent, fantasy driven generation has not been seen since the end times of the Roman Empire, I suspect. The entire Hillary campaign, juxtaposed against a movement based on “we”, has been nothing but a glorified, projected movement of “me.” Her support is not driven by a selfless love of country, hope/fear for the future, or, that old standby, “the children.” Nope. It is nothing more than an unwavering demand for identity politics instant self gratification.
In a primary where the choice came down to one of two historically excluded “types”, where the policy differences between them were depressingly minor, where the opponent is the hand picked successor of worst, most predatory, vacuous and incompetent administration in modern history, there should never have been any controversy about the Dems unifying behind Obama. This is not 1968 with war and anti-war factions impossibly opposed to one another on a vital issue of substance. Today’s Democratic Party is unified in its position to keep the war going on long enough to win the election, and then shift the focus so as to allow its major donors to get in on the gravy train. What was the fighting, hard feelings, and showboating all about? The Hillary supporters, overwhelmingly Boomer, just had to have one of there own in, and in now. Otherwise, they were going to stamp their feet, eat worms and vote for McCain. Jeezus. How pathetic.
But whatever. The Boomers managed the impossible during their twenty-five year reign—to accelerate the destruction of the biosphere so quickly as to virtually bring about the ultimate in self-indulgent self-absorption: end the world as we have known it and bequeath a resource depleted ash pile to future generations. So what does destroying the Democratic Party as the party of working men and women add to that? Not enough to get worked up about. Seems to me if King Midas were a Boomer, he never would have destroyed his daughter by touching her. He’d long before have accidentally turned his pecker to gold and that would have been that.
Oh, but now that an event has been properly staged and the courtiers in the media properly swooned, the manufactured and ephemeral “disunity” has dissipated like so much methane from a dead dog’s gut. Poof! Now you smell it, now you don’t. Like magic.
And finally, Barack can get on with what he’s needed to do since February—win the fucking election. Unfortunately, while the Hillary “supporters” have finally been massaged adequately to get them to SFU, the GOPigs have already been handed all the ammo they need by St. Joan of Polyester Pantsuits already. The damage from continuing a primary campaign on NO OTHER ISSUE than the lack of credentials by her own party’s standard bearer has been the gift that kept on giving, forming the basis of a vile and desperate McCain campaign. Two goddamn days of the convention devoted to damage control instead of attacking the worst, most universally rejected party rule in modern American history. Thanks, Hillary. Thanks Hillary supporters. You’ve indulged yourselves, extorted a convention wide foot massage from the people who kicked your asses fair and square, and now the rest of us got to pick it up even more just to win an election that ought to have been a foregone conclusion. Fuckers. Motherfuckers.
Well, Obama will win. Make no mistake. We’ll put in the extra effort even though Obama is no great reformer. We’ll (and by ‘we’ I mean the progressives who more than anyone put Obama where he is and who. less than anyone, will reap any real policy advances) do it because unlike the Boomers, we love our nation more than the Boomer celebrities upon whom we’ve projected our own egos. Because we know that ultimately, Dem politics is about “we” and “us” and not “me”—so that there is no question that we will elect a person even though “me” will get shortchanged.
But “me” getting shortchanged won’t seem so bad. Not so bad relative to the world of shit we will be living in for generations after your self indulgent, short sighted, craven and greedy generation has passed ignobly from the scene. Something about living among the wreckage in a world of shit—it makes the personality crap a lot less important in the grand scheme of things.
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Replace the boomers with
by tjcerveza
08/27/2008, 1:12 PM #
Paris Hilton and the dream team
Yes, Happy Days are here again, now that the torch has been passed.
:0)
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by Duchess of Austin
08/27/2008, 1:53 PM #
I'm sorry, but your laughable assertion that Obama is going to win the election, and that he is fit for anything but "community organizing" is false on it's face.
This is the most appallingly unprepared and inexperienced candidate put forth by the Dhims in years. At least Clinton had some executive experience from his years as governor of Arkansas, as did Jimmy Carter as governor of Georgia. What sort of executive experience does Obama have? Editor of the Harvard Law Review? Puleeze. Oh wait...maybe he does have executive experience, but it's never going to see the light of day. *laughs* Can you say The Chicago Annenberg Challenge? I think you can. This is, to quote Thomas Lifeson, Bill and Barak's excellent adventure into the failed urban schools on the south side of Chicago. And the reason it will never see the light of day, you ask? Because it was, by their own final report, a complete and utter failure. The leftist lapdogs of the MSM and the craven cowards at the U of C will make sure to bury it as deep as they can until AFTER the election. Oh, and the Bill is William Ayers, former domestic terrorist who still thinks he didn't throw enough bombs....
So, you want the American people to elect a man with absolutely no relevant experience to the job he is seeking other than a little less than 200 days as a US Senator and 8 years in the Illinois State House, voting "present" over 100 times and his experience as head of yet another failed liberal social experiment? Not to mention his great judgement!
Obama's entire campaign message has been his vaunted "judgement." I'm sorry, but my mother used to tell me you are judged by the company you keep. Obama keeps some strange company in the form of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, the Rev. Wright of the 20 years that Obama didn't hear a thing, and of course the equally racist Pastor Phleger, as well as a sweetheart deal to aquire his McMansion in Hyde Park with a convicted Chicago machine political fixer.
Obama's campaign is a train wreck in the making, and the reason that it took them forever to announce his running mate wasn't a slap at the Hillary camp, it was because all the available pols who still have a career didn't want to hitch their wagons to a falling star.....literally. Think about it...Biden can get his ass handed to him in this election and retire without a qualm, having hit the absolute peak of his carreer. He doesn't want to be known as the Hubert Humphrey of his generation...that moniker will probably go to Hillary if she tries to run again next time and gets defeated, which she surely will, because this division within the Dhim party will play itself out all over again in the form of disaffected Obama supporters who will have to exact their revenge for the downfall of their current idol.
Obama will go down in history all right, but it won't be the sort of history he wants. He will lose in a landslide to the most boring Republican candidate in years because the "what about me?" party has shot themselves in the foot, twice, in a year that should have been a gimme. You are too far into the kool-aide to see the forest for the trees.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 2:01 PM #
Duchess of Austin:
I'm sorry, but your laughable assertion that Obama is going to win the election, and that he is fit for anything but "community organizing" is false on it's face.
This is the most appallingly unprepared and inexperienced candidate put forth by the Dhims in years. At least Clinton had some executive experience from his years as governor of Arkansas, as did Jimmy Carter as governor of Georgia. What sort of executive experience does Obama have? Editor of the Harvard Law Review? Puleeze. Oh wait...maybe he does have executive experience, but it's never going to see the light of day. *laughs* Can you say The Chicago Annenberg Challenge? I think you can. This is, to quote Thomas Lifeson, Bill and Barak's excellent adventure into the failed urban schools on the south side of Chicago. And the reason it will never see the light of day, you ask? Because it was, by their own final report, a complete and utter failure. The leftist lapdogs of the MSM and the craven cowards at the U of C will make sure to bury it as deep as they can until AFTER the election. Oh, and the Bill is William Ayers, former domestic terrorist who still thinks he didn't throw enough bombs....
So, you want the American people to elect a man with absolutely no relevant experience to the job he is seeking other than a little less than 200 days as a US Senator and 8 years in the Illinois State House, voting "present" over 100 times and his experience as head of yet another failed liberal social experiment? Not to mention his great judgement!
Obama's entire campaign message has been his vaunted "judgement." I'm sorry, but my mother used to tell me you are judged by the company you keep. Obama keeps some strange company in the form of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn, the Rev. Wright of the 20 years that Obama didn't hear a thing, and of course the equally racist Pastor Phleger, as well as a sweetheart deal to aquire his McMansion in Hyde Park with a convicted Chicago machine political fixer.
Obama's campaign is a train wreck in the making, and the reason that it took them forever to announce his running mate wasn't a slap at the Hillary camp, it was because all the available pols who still have a career didn't want to hitch their wagons to a falling star.....literally. Think about it...Biden can get his ass handed to him in this election and retire without a qualm, having hit the absolute peak of his carreer. He doesn't want to be known as the Hubert Humphrey of his generation...that moniker will probably go to Hillary if she tries to run again next time and gets defeated, which she surely will, because this division within the Dhim party will play itself out all over again in the form of disaffected Obama supporters who will have to exact their revenge for the downfall of their current idol.
Obama will go down in history all right, but it won't be the sort of history he wants. He will lose in a landslide to the most boring Republican candidate in years because the "what about me?" party has shot themselves in the foot, twice, in a year that should have been a gimme. You are too far into the kool-aide to see the forest for the trees.
And what company did your mother keep? I suppose that depended on the deployment status of the local naval base. If you weren't so obsessed repeating the Hannity/Limbaugh line, you might have noticed that rather than being an Obama fanatic, I'm only reluctantly supporting him because the alternatives are too horrible to seriously contemplate.
As a southsider of Chicago who lived about two miles from Rev. Wright's church and who has been aware of the actions of Fr. Phleger for about two decades, I don't need some Texas dipshit to lecture me on who's who and what's what in my own neighborhood. You come from a state that has wrought more destruction and degradation on the nation and the world than any I can recall since Nazi Germany. So, kindly shut the fuck up. Clean up the rapacious fucktoads in your own backyard before you take on mine.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by Duchess of Austin
08/27/2008, 2:17 PM #
*Howling with laughter*
Do you eat with that mouth? I'm sure somewhere there is an english teacher from your past who is rolling in her grave. Can I safely assume that you were not on the debate team in college? Did you even go to college? If so, you must have forgotten all the 50 cent words they taught you to debate with...
Your vulgar attack on my character and your comparison of Texans to the Nazis may work in your social circles, but in mine, that sort of ad hominem is considered to be the desperate acting out of a man who has no cogent argument. Why don't you try addressing the points I have made and not my lack of character in your eyes for living in Texas. You make yourself look silly and quite uninformed.
I will infer from the ferocity of your ad hominem that you are aware of the negative nature of Obama's chosen associates and have no relevant argument as to why it should not be taken into consideration by rational adults who are making a decision about where they want the country to go in the future....if Mr. Obama is running on his life choices, the negative ones (consorting with wild eyed former hippy terrorists, radical racist ministers and crooked political fixers) should be considered along with any positives (election to the US Senate) in his quest for the job. Lord knows McCain comes with lots of warts, but we all know what his downside is....nobody even knows what Obamas upside is, and hopenchange just isn't enough for most of us. We want a little meat with our spun sugar.
So far, all I've heard about Obama is how much the Germans love him.....gee, I'm just gonna hop right up there and vote for a guy who thinks we should be more like the Euros, who haven't been able to pick a winning side since God was a boy! Didn't you wonder why his little pre-election victory lap to Europe didn't get him the huge bounce in the polls that his campaign thought it would? Hmmmm, could it be the WWII vets out there, who have families, extended families and friends who weren't so impressed with his pandering to the very people they fought a war with?
Laughable. Obama is toast.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 2:46 PM #
Duchess of Austin:
*Howling with laughter*
Do you eat with that mouth?
Well, I wouldn't eat you with it, Monkey Chow.
I see strategic thinking and electoral details are not your strong suit. Typical of a half baked idealogue aping higher level primates.
If you bothered to check the state by state polling, their historical voting patters and cross checked them against the current ratio of Dem to GOPig new voter registration, you'd know something. I have done those things, and here's what the data shows:
Out of a total of 538 total electoral votes, Obama has, virtually in the bag, approximately 264 from states that he leads in the polls and which have either voted Dem in the last two cycles or have increasingly gone Dem to the point where new voter registrations that favor Dems over GOPigs 2 to 1 will ensure it tipping in their favor. McCain has 185. That leaves 89 in play.
Of those 89, McCain must capture 85 to win. In other words, he has to take every swing state except for New Hampshire which is the only one he can afford to lose, the rest all having in excess of four electorals at stake. Obama has and will continue to outraise McCain by 50-150% from here on out. Obama will out register voters by 3 or 4 to one. He'll have more than a million volunteers on the street throughout the campaign and substantially more out on election day.
Obama can spread McCain thin by putting huge resources into close McCain states and overwhelm him in ads and appearances in any one of five key states-- Ohio, Florida, Colorado, He only needs to win one of those to put him over the top. If nothing else, McCain will be lucky to not drop dead of exhaustion by November.
Now, I don't know on what data you assert that McCain will win in a landslide. I suspect you haven't quite figured out that our presidential elections are done state by state and on the basis of electoral votes. Anyone who does understand that realizes that the election is Obama's to lose. Being a Chicago politician with the full backing of a resurgent Dem Party, it seems hardly likely that he will fold.
This analysis is also confirmed simply by desperate nature of McCain's tactics-- the use of false smears and disparagement of his opponent's national loyalty. These are tactics only employed as a last resort. McCain is Bob "I'm Bob Dole" Dole for 2008.
Incidentally, you can be safetly assured that I: debated in college and high school. I was the Indiana high school state champion and national quarterfinalist my senior year (as well as a two time state champion impromptu speaker). I attended a private university on a full debate scholarship for four years. I have a JD from a top ten national law school, scored in the 98th percentile on the LSAT and passed the California Bar Exam on one try, while stoned. Not that I think it really matters, but you brought it up.
So much for your insight.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by thewolf05827
08/27/2008, 2:54 PM #
"I have a JD from a top ten national law school, scored in the 98th percentile on the LSAT and passed the California Bar Exam on one try, while stoned."
Ah, a better class of ignorance... how nice.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 2:59 PM #
thewolf05827:
"I have a JD from a top ten national law school, scored in the 98th percentile on the LSAT and passed the California Bar Exam on one try, while stoned."
Ah, a better class of ignorance... how nice.
You'd think you'd be used to being outclassed by now. I imagine it never gets any easier, does it?
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by thewolf05827
08/27/2008, 3:09 PM #
You flatter yourself, pothead... and you "imagine" quite a few things, evidently.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by Duchess of Austin
08/27/2008, 3:21 PM #
Puleeze, I've had better, more civilized debates with the drunken denizens of a trailer park on a Saturday night, thanks. I'm sure your alma mater is very proud of such a vulgar graduate, who feels the need to make personal attacks instead of addressing the points made in a calm and rational manner. Unlike the pissy liberals, sticks and stones can break my bones.....you can call me all the vulgar names you want, you just look silly to anybody else reading this exchange.
You can quote statistics all you like, but the statistics you need to quote are not from the most recent election, but from the one where McGovern couldn't even carry 1 state. Personally, I think the only poll that matters is the one on election day, but I'm pretty sure that what befell McGovern in '72 is going to be Obama's fate in this election as well. You see, the Dhims, in their eternal arrogance, pitted their 2 biggest voter demographics against each other for the nomination to start, then they have compounded their error by selecting (and make no mistake about it, Obama was SELECTED by the convoluted, pseudo electoral college of superdelegates, which is, in itself, hilarious, since you all whined about the electoral college process in the 2000 election *laughs*) the lesser of the two candidates based solely upon the color of his skin and the need to keep the monolithic (for the most part) black vote on the Democratic plantation, as it were. Tell me...who are the racists again? How many states did Obama actually win that were not caucus states? Uhm....how many of the large states that the Dems NEED to win the national election did he lose to Hillary by a huge margin?
So this time, the Dumbass Dems threw women and middle class caucasian voters under the political bus and ran 'em over a couple times by completely disrespecting Hillary Clinton. I'm no Democrat, but I had started to admire her by the end of the primaries, and since I'm no huge fan of McCain, I might have been one of the crossovers...heck, I even voted for Bill once.
But I digress....
Now, the Dhims are stuck with the proverbial pig in the poke, a man with a paper thin resume, no relative experience to the job in question, an inability to stick to one position on anything, the public perception of a militant, bitchy wife who wants to be another "co" president (how'd that work out for ya'll the last time?), specious associates, and a 20+ year close personal relationship (per his own books) with a radical, unamerican preacher who thinks that the white man is the enemy. Then on top of all this, you can't unhook him from a teleprompter or a scripted speech without him shoving his foot so far down his throat he can tickle his own balls with his toes....which explains his reluctance to go toe to toe with McCain in real debates. Please....I'm having trouble writing this because I'm laughing so hard....and I have yet to address the bounce in the polls that didn't happen when Joe Biden was picked as the VP!
There are none so blind as those who will not see....
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 3:24 PM #
thewolf05827:You flatter yourself, pothead... and you "imagine" quite a few things, evidently.
Ooooh, "pothead" huh? What a clever and cutting retort. Give my regards to Muskogee, dipshit.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by thewolf05827
08/27/2008, 3:26 PM #
You're the one who waved your dope-smoking around as a point of pride, self-important bigoted asshole.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by Duchess of Austin
08/27/2008, 3:32 PM #
About as clever and cutting as Monkey Chow, wouldn't you say?
*grins*
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 3:46 PM #
Duchess of Austin:
Puleeze, I've had better, more civilized debates with the drunken denizens of a trailer park on a Saturday night, thanks.
Of that, I have no doubt. Try getting around more.
I'm sure your alma mater is very proud of such a vulgar graduate, who feels the need to make personal attacks instead of addressing the points made in a calm and rational manner. Unlike the pissy liberals, sticks and stones can break my bones.....you can call me all the vulgar names you want, you just look silly to anybody else reading this exchange.
Who are you kidding? All you've presented are absurd personal attacks on me or Obama, and you have yet to address the electoral vote factual presentation above. It is the longstanding practice of you monkeys to defend your own absurd behavior by simply charging other people with what you yourselves are doing in retro school yard fashion. Spare me.
You can quote statistics all you like, but the statistics you need to quote are not from the most recent election, but from the one where McGovern couldn't even carry 1 state. Personally, I think the only poll that matters is the one on election day, but I'm pretty sure that what befell McGovern in '72 is going to be Obama's fate in this election as well. You see, the Dhims, in their eternal arrogance, pitted their 2 biggest voter demographics against each other for the nomination to start, then they have compounded their error by selecting (and make no mistake about it, Obama was SELECTED by the convoluted, pseudo electoral college of superdelegates, which is, in itself, hilarious, since you all whined about the electoral college process in the 2000 election *laughs*) the lesser of the two candidates based solely upon the color of his skin and the need to keep the monolithic (for the most part) black vote on the Democratic plantation, as it were. Tell me...who are the racists again? How many states did Obama actually win that were not caucus states? Uhm....how many of the large states that the Dems NEED to win the national election did he lose to Hillary by a huge margin?
Yes, I can see how a detailed, fact based discussion is way above your head. Referring to McGovern? He lost when I was nine years old. If you want a more appropriate analogy, try Reagan in '80. Also, try and keep your thoughts coherent.
So this time, the Dumbass Dems threw women and middle class caucasian voters under the political bus and ran 'em over a couple times by completely disrespecting Hillary Clinton. I'm no Democrat, but I had started to admire her by the end of the primaries, and since I'm no huge fan of McCain, I might have been one of the crossovers...heck, I even voted for Bill once.
Ah, yes, "dumbass Dems." Tell me more about how you eschew vulgarity, you turd. Apart from that, I cannot figure out exactly what your confessional diatribe has to do with anything. "Middle class caucasion voters"???? You mean the Apalachian core that rejected Obama? You are confused. Those people are about as middle class as your last trick.
But I digress....
Now, the Dhims are stuck with the proverbial pig in the poke, a man with a paper thin resume, no relative experience to the job in question, an inability to stick to one position on anything, the public perception of a militant, bitchy wife who wants to be another "co" president (how'd that work out for ya'll the last time?), specious associates, and a 20+ year close personal relationship (per his own books) with a radical, unamerican preacher who thinks that the white man is the enemy. Then on top of all this, you can't unhook him from a teleprompter or a scripted speech without him shoving his foot so far down his throat he can tickle his own balls with his toes....which explains his reluctance to go toe to toe with McCain in real debates. Please....I'm having trouble writing this because I'm laughing so hard....and I have yet to address the bounce in the polls that didn't happen when Joe Biden was picked as the VP!
There are none so blind as those who will not see....
Ah, yes, back to Wright and Ayers again. Whatever. First you reject polls, then you cite them. Then you attack me for vulgarity, then talk about Obama's balls. You are a head case, and life is too short to waste on head cases.
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Re: Three (bronx) cheers
by doodahman
08/27/2008, 3:50 PM #
thewolf05827:You're the one who waved your dope-smoking around as a point of pride, self-important bigoted asshole.
Oh now, no reason to get all upset about my credentials, sonny. I'm sure you've accomplished at least something in your life to be proud of. Stayed out of prison? Kicked the crack? Gave up molesting young boys? Think hard.
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