Let's face it, There were many Republicans that were willing to cross the line because of the stupidity of the Bush administration but they have since crossed back due to the stupidity of the Democrats. Before the primaries, A good many Republicans I spoke to were going to vote for Clinton because they were disgusted with Bush. Now they want nothing to do with a candidate that they percieve will say anything to anybody to get a vote. In other words, They think Obama is a con artist which in my opinion isn't far from the truth. So what has happened by nominating Obama? It's driven off Republicans that might have voted for Clinton and might have changed party, It's driven off Clinton's supporters though a few may feel they have to tow the party line and last, It;s driven off a whole lot of long time party loyals that feel they were betrayed by a party leadership looking to promote a candidate with style rather than substance. No matter what happens in November, The Democrats have lost and it's nobody's fault but their own.......

I'm not a Republican.....Just a Pisse off Ex-Democrat,,,,

My next top post may interest you.

It got MY attention.

Blue-Dawg:

Let's face it, There were many Republicans that were willing to cross the line because of the stupidity of the Bush administration but they have since crossed back due to the stupidity of the Democrats. Before the primaries, A good many Republicans I spoke to were going to vote for Clinton because they were disgusted with Bush. Now they want nothing to do with a candidate that they percieve will say anything to anybody to get a vote. In other words, They think Obama is a con artist which in my opinion isn't far from the truth. So what has happened by nominating Obama? It's driven off Republicans that might have voted for Clinton and might have changed party, It's driven off Clinton's supporters though a few may feel they have to tow the party line and last, It;s driven off a whole lot of long time party loyals that feel they were betrayed by a party leadership looking to promote a candidate with style rather than substance. No matter what happens in November, The Democrats have lost and it's nobody's fault but their own.......

I'm not a Republican.....Just a Pisse off Ex-Democrat,,,,

I'm sorry your candidate did not get chosen. In the Republican Party, it wasn't a matter of a close political race and a selection of a preferred nominee over another (that wouldn't be something that would make me vote for someone from another party who wasn't even close on the issues to either of the candidates in my own party). But there has been a matter of an entire shift in the Republican Party that has turned many lifelong Republicans off based on the issues, not based on a candidate some favored losing to another. I believe what has many Republicans crossing lines and becoming Independents (I am about to do so after hoping for a shift back that isn't happening with McCain as he has become more GW Bush like than he has moved away from him. I believe many moderate Republicans have seen the failed policies of the good ole boy Republican version of wealth protectionism where bottom lines mean more than life itself policies that appeared to come out of Reaganomics and in some cases the worst parts of Reaganomics taken to their furthest extremes (Bonfires of the Vanities, the extreme version) We've seen the problems with excess and trading social issues for the bottom line. There is a cost for everything, even wealth. It is time for a sustainable and stable economy, not a boom bust one where no one is sure how deep the bust will be because they were too busy partying during the boom to keep track or care.

I can understand being pissed off at one's party, but to me I haven't really seen any side by side, issue by issue comparisons as to why the Democrats that are pissed off are pissed off other than their groomed and expectant favorite-daughter didn't get the nomination. Hillary and Bill Clinton as with Barack Obama, John McCain and others in politics, in business, in family life and in other situations have done what mature, grudge, revenge and vindictive free people do daily, they get over it and move on to more pressing issues and as far as they are concerned, those that don't unite and vote for Barack Obama are now flying on their own where their opinions are concerned.

As far as I am concerned, all are free to vote for whom they would like to, but I find it truly interesting that Hillary Clinton supporters will now in an almost Ironic way not support her by not following her in accepting her not coming out on top for the nomination and supporting who she is now going to support. Hillary Clinton has the intelligence, the professionalism and the maturity to know when it is time to let an excellent run go and concentrate on the business at hand. If yours don't join her, what happens is not her fault, but yours. Something seems out of place that there are some people that will listen to Hillary all the way, until she asks that they follow her in voting for Obama.

As a life long Republican myself, I met the following lady in my parents home some years ago, when we were both a lot younger.

Susan Eisenhower

Based on an incredible change in many of my died in the wool Republican loyal till the end relatives and friends, I would have to disagree with your assessment of where many Republicans are headed and have been headed since Bush became president and McCain began to sound more and more like him daily.

Feel free to vote for McCain if you like out of spite for Hillary Clinton not getting the nomination or for even because you think McCain is a better candidate that Obama, even Hillary and Bill Clinton are not that "pissed off", nor do they feel McCain would be the better choice.

I can understand being pissed off at one's party, but to me I haven't really seen any side by side, issue by issue comparisons as to why the Democrats that are pissed off are pissed off other than their groomed and expectant favorite-daughter didn't get the nomination. Hillary and Bill Clinton as with Barack Obama, John McCain and others in politics, in business, in family life and in other situations have done what mature, grudge, revenge and vindictive free people do daily, they get over it and move on to more pressing issues and as far as they are concerned, those that don't unite and vote for Barack Obama are now flying on their own where their opinions are concerned.

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THERE YOU GO AGAIN!

You have decided to become an Independent because you disagree with who your party chose.

Those of us who became Independent because of the way the party decided to control our vote are immature,grudge and vindictive driven.

Please tell me how my choice is different from yours?You are saying,We have to toe the party line,while you are free to choose.

Please explain the difference to me.I would love to hear what you have to say.

I think TB said it best in one of his posts.He said,"Many are leaving the Democratic party,but he did not see them rushing to become Republicans."

Blue Dawg,you are not alone.

We are accused of causing the donwfall of the Democrats when the truth is the Democrat leadership is the cause of the problem.

I love the post below,where a Republican can choose to become and Independent,but a Dem who does that is grudge ,vindictive driven.

May be you can explain that to me.I thought we had free will to make our choices. Apparently,Dems do not have that choice.We are to get in line,say,"Thank you,oh wise and wonderful DNC, bow down and vote the way we tell you to!

Exactly! I've been saying it for years.....that the Dem Party tolerates no dissent from anyone. You're either in lock-step or you're their enemy (ie a Republican). Tunnel-visioned doesn't even begin to describe their mentality.

Lapcat:

Exactly! I've been saying it for years.....that the Dem Party tolerates no dissent from anyone. You're either in lock-step or you're their enemy (ie a Republican). Tunnel-visioned doesn't even begin to describe their mentality.

No offense,LC,but Republicans do the same thing.

Both party Leaders have lock step mentalities.we need something different.

How the hell can you say that? Look at all of the RINOs that are now in the Rep Party. RINOs that have veered drastically to the left of center.

So far, the only DINO I can think of would have to be Joe Lieberman, who is now an Independent, I believe...and I also believe that he was pushed out for his moderate/centrist ideas. Other than that....ALL of the leftist DemocRats are in lock-frickin step with the leftist agenda.

Lapcat:

How the hell can you say that? Look at all of the RINOs that are now in the Rep Party. RINOs that have veered drastically to the left of center.

So far, the only DINO I can think of would have to be Joe Lieberman, who is now an Independent, I believe...and I also believe that he was pushed out for his moderate/centrist ideas. Other than that....ALL of the leftist DemocRats are in lock-frickin step with the leftist agenda.

Simple,you guys voted for GW twice,and were against McCain. Now that the Republicans have chosen him, you will vote in lock step too.

Both parties are corrupt to the core.There is not one whit of difference between them.

Leiberman lost his primary,that is why he went indie. He poses as an Indie dem,when in fact he is a toadie to whoever will keep him. He stuck with the Dems so as not to lose his chairmanship.If the Dems get more senators,Joe knows he is gone. He will have no power left.

You unfairely criticize Lieberman. Recently Harry Reid conceded that many Democrats wanted him stripped of his committee leaderships, but Reid said, "he votes with me on every matter that really matters", he claimes Lieberman is "wrong about war in Iraq" but on the other issues he stands by the Democrats and for this, I suggest it's the Democrats, i.e. Harry Reid using Lieberman more than the other way around.

MaryAnne:

I can understand being pissed off at one's party, but to me I haven't really seen any side by side, issue by issue comparisons as to why the Democrats that are pissed off are pissed off other than their groomed and expectant favorite-daughter didn't get the nomination. Hillary and Bill Clinton as with Barack Obama, John McCain and others in politics, in business, in family life and in other situations have done what mature, grudge, revenge and vindictive free people do daily, they get over it and move on to more pressing issues and as far as they are concerned, those that don't unite and vote for Barack Obama are now flying on their own where their opinions are concerned.

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THERE YOU GO AGAIN!

You have decided to become an Independent because you disagree with who your party chose.

Those of us who became Independent because of the way the party decided to control our vote are immature,grudge and vindictive driven.

Please tell me how my choice is different from yours?You are saying,We have to toe the party line,while you are free to choose.

Please explain the difference to me.I would love to hear what you have to say.

I think TB said it best in one of his posts.He said,"Many are leaving the Democratic party,but he did not see them rushing to become Republicans."

It would appear that until Barrack Obama came along as a "spoiler" candidate to the expected "ordained" Hillary Clinton, most all was peachy keen with Democrats and the party. When Obama upset that apple cart, threats were made to vote for the opposing party, NOT before and it became all the fault of the DNC and Howard Dean and his having been elected by a select group of Democrats that somehow didn't support the majority of Democrats. I'd like to see some back-up regarding that rather than a minority believing it is so because they say it is. In my honest opinion, the disunity in the Democratic Party came as the result of Barrack Obama spoiling what some expected was ordained and a shoe-in for Hillary Clinton.

In the Republican Party the shift has not come as the result of one favored candidate's losing to another in a close race for the nomination, it came as disillusionment with the entire party and where it was headed. It wasn't a complaint that the majority of Republicans were secretly wishing something that was the opposite of what the Republican candidates were offering, it was that a minority (one that has grown as a result) did/does not like the direction the party has been taken in in the last several decades, much less, if at all because a "promising" candidate did not get the majority support.

In my honest and humble opinion, I see the Democrats as united behind what needs to be done for change, but fractured and squabbling over who within their own party is going to get the job to do it. In the Republican Party, I see a majority unity surrounding a platform which is not supported by a minority of Republicans, many of whom are now standing in Democratic territory, not because they have switched their positions, but because others have switched theirs and what used to be on the border between moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans is now considered almost totally in Democratic territory. In other words, the NeoCon sub-party of the GOP and those joining it, shifted right wing politics more to the right taking the centerline with them and leaving moderate Republicans on the Democratic side of that line.

I see Democrats united against Republicans, but bickering about who is going to lead the fight. I see them risking the loss a chance to gain a leadership position because the time has come to choose team captains and get on with the game because they can't agree on who their team captain should be and while the game goes on, they remain bickering about who will be team captain. The opposite team may not have the best players or strategy, but they're united enough to have chosen their captain and their team members put their energy into the game rather than arguing about who their captain is or going to be. Because of the distraction and the energy put into something other than the game, the other team is scoring away, once again, not because they have a particularly good team, but they aren't distracted by team bickering and who their captain is going to be.

....She ran an incredible race against a tough competitor, she just didn't get as much support as that competitor. She recognizes, even if some of her supporters do not, that you either lodge a legitimate protest that other competitors were cheating somehow or you accept they did a better job in the end whether by a large margin or a small margin. She recognizes that it is time to move on and look at the bigger picture which is of the two nominees, selected, which is going to represent the American people and a change for America better. She has made her choice and hopes her supporters will support her choice as well. If they do not who are they supporting now?

I do not agree. So? My choice,and I am not bitter,vindictive or any of those things.

I am fed up with the choices the DNC has made,so shoot me:o)

As Ronald Reagan said,"I did not leave the party,the party left me!"

I think picking Obama was a mistake, but he's still a far stronger candidate than McCain. Sure, he's a bit of a con artist (what politician isn't?), but he hasn't reinvented himself wholesale the way McCain did to get the nomination. Hell, McCain even abandoned the faith that he'd had for the first 70 years or so of his life in favor of a sect more popular with the evangelicals who keep the gates of power for the GOP. Talk about a damned phony! Then there are his flip-flops on immigration and taxes, and his born-again-Neo-Con schtick. It's not hard to imagine what the old John McCain (who stood up to Reagan on deployment of troops in Lebanon) would make of this new John McCain.

Certainly picking Clinton would have strengthened the party's chances in November, and perhaps it would also have been a better building move for the future. But that chance has passed. Now it's a question of whether the nation will be better off with McCain or Obama. I can't see how anyone who was ever a Democrat could seriously be in doubt about that question.

It probably depends on the issue. For example, I can find plenty of major Democrats who are in favor of outlawing gay marriage, and plenty that are in favor of allowing it -- not just weasel positions about whether the states or the Fed should be outlawing it, but full-fledged support of gay marriage by some and full-fledged opposition by others. I'm unaware of that kind of diversity of opinion in the GOP. Or look at the vote to get involved in Iraq. How much dissent did the GOP tolerate on that one. In retrospect, it was a huge mistake. And yet can you name a major Republican who spoke out against it? There were Dems on both sides of the issue.

I think most political scientists would call the Democratic Party the bigger tent. Like I said, it depends on the issue, but I think overall you'll find more diversity of opinion among Democrats than Republicans, and a lot less lock-step voting.