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IF Obama can come up with SPECIFICS.....
by barbella

he MAY pull this off. Maybe.

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and if he manages to wiggle out of the debates.....
by Jakejerkmeoff
unscripted Obama is a disaster.
Re: IF Obama can come up with SPECIFICS.....
by Reptilicus

"Der Spiegel"?!?!??

Uh, weren't you guys MOCKING the Germans just a few weeks ago?!?!???!?

Read "Fleeced" it will tell you exactly where obama
by Abused
will take this nation if he is elected....
Re: IF Obama can come up with SPECIFICS.....
by WhatFacts

Comparing the tax plans is a good start.

Turning a blind eye does not eliminate the data.

Ummm....that wouldn't have been ME.
by barbella
I don't mock Germans.
LOL, LOL....how very true...obama, without
by Abused
a teleprompt makes Bush sound amazing......
Re: Read "Fleeced" it will tell you exactly where obama
by Reptilicus

Abused:
will take this nation if he is elected....

That's "Fleeced" by Dick "Toe-Sucker" Morris. Available at lousy bookstores everywhere!

Re: and if he manages to wiggle out of the debates.....
by barbella
He'll get a "bounce" after his, no doubt, "great" speech tonight. After that, he'll need to get down to bare facts, not empty promises of "change". :-) And yeah, I'm definitely looking forward to the debates.....
Re: IF Obama can come up with SPECIFICS.....
by HST-libertarian

WhatFacts:

Comparing the tax plans is a good start.

Turning a blind eye does not eliminate the data.

Good advice for you too:


August 27, 2008

The Rise of Fantasy Politics By Robert Samuelson

WASHINGTON -- What we have here -- to borrow a line from the old movie "Cool Hand Luke" -- is a failure to communicate. By all rights, we should be having a fierce debate over the role of government. What should it do, for whom and why? What can we afford? Who should pay? These questions would suggest a campaign that seriously engages the future, but instead, we have a bidding war between candidates to see who can promise the most appealing package of new spending programs and tax cuts.

As we watch the conventions, we should recognize that we've entered an era of fantasy politics. Like fantasy football and baseball, fantasy politics is an exercise in make-believe that is intended to keep its players occupied and to make the winners feel good. Barack Obama and John McCain emit pleasing slogans and programs that, as often as not, are disconnected from the country's actual problems they'll encounter in office.

Last week, I viewed "I.O.U.S.A.," an 87-minute documentary exploring the grim budget outlook. It is unbalanced budgets that, in many ways, define the political deadlock. The persistence of deficits over so many years (42 of the past 47) can have only one basic cause: Politicians of both parties prefer spending to taxing. As everyone knows, the disconnect will worsen, because aging baby boomers will bloat outlays for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. These programs already total nearly two-fifths of the $2.9 trillion federal spending in 2008.

The documentary's sponsors hope to arouse public opinion on budget issues just as "An Inconvenient Truth" did on global warming. Maybe, but I'm skeptical. It's not merely that melting icebergs are more compelling images than charts of mounting government debt. The mismatch between the government's existing spending commitments and the present tax base is so great that we cannot simply tinker a little with government. By 2030, federal taxes could rise 50 percent if all spending programs are kept on automatic pilot, notes Andrew Yarrow in his book "Forgive Us Our Debts."

That would be, I think, an unconscionable burden on workers (the main taxpayers) and a huge threat to the economy. Over the years, I've suggested changes to minimize these dangers. Eligibility ages for Social Security and Medicare should gradually rise to 70; people now live longer and should work longer. Medicare premiums for middle-income and richer retirees should increase; the young shouldn't bear most of the expense of growing health costs. Government programs that have outlived their usefulness or are wasteful should end: farm subsidies and Amtrak, for instance.

But "I.O.U.S.A." barely mentions choices and solutions. Ideally, of course, our political leaders would assume the task of choosing. Unfortunately, they don't.

The most exhaustive examination of the McCain and Obama budget proposals I've found comes from the Tax Policy Center, sponsored jointly by the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution. It's discouraging reading. Though details differ, neither plan would realistically limit spending or eliminate deficits. For example, both their health proposals would cost far more than $1 trillion over a decade, says the Tax Policy Center.

Obama and McCain have each embraced symbolic gestures that falsely suggest they've made tough choices. Democrats blame deficits on Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the Iraq War. OK, let's whack the rich. Obama would restore the 36 percent and 39.6 percent income-tax rates for couples with taxable incomes above $200,300 and $357,700. He's suggested higher capital-gains taxes and Social Security taxes for those with incomes exceeding $250,000. Together, these changes might generate about $80 billion of revenue in 2010, says the Tax Policy Center. By contrast, the 2008 budget deficit is reckoned at $389 billion. Even saving $125 billion by winding down the Iraq War -- a highly optimistic estimate -- wouldn't erase the deficit.

McCain denounces wasteful spending, citing congressional "earmarks." These are projects usually designated by individual members of Congress for their districts. OK, let's scrub them all. In 2008, earmarks numbered 11,610 and cost $17.2 billion, estimates Citizens Against Government Waste. That's less than 1 percent of federal spending.

Elections serve, in civics textbooks, to reach collective decisions about the future. The real world is different. Many campaign proposals are so unrealistic or undesirable that they may never be enacted. McCain would cut taxes again for the rich. Is that needed or likely? No. Obama would create more special tax breaks for homeowners, college students, workers and retirees, among others -- further clutter in an already complex tax system.

All this makes sense only as fantasy politics. Proposals aren't necessarily intended to be adopted. They're selected to win applause and please voters -- just as quarterbacks, in fantasy football, are selected for their accuracy. In November, one candidate will win this game. But the country as a whole may lose.


Re: Read "Fleeced" it will tell you exactly where obama
by Abused
Yep, that's what I said, "Fleeced"
He can pull it off without any specifics.....
by ZealotforTruth

This venue plays directly to his strengths, after all.

BUT...if he does throw out some specifics, and is prepared to build on them and defend them in the comming weeks (particularly in the debates...), then he should come out VERY GOOD.

THIS is the very arena where President Clinton excelled. If Obama can break down a few issues, throw in his plan, with some wonkish specifics, while keeping the audience glued, but not overly bored...he hits a home run.....

Re: Ummm....that wouldn't have been ME.
by JesseD
I do, some Germans....YOU.
Re: Read "Fleeced" it will tell you exactly where obama
by LT-7
No. I really wish you guys would stop being fixated on Greek mythology. Obama isn't Jason and he isn't sailing the Argo. He doesn't search for the golden fleece, he is busy trying to get people back in jobs and their homes, get us out of Iraq, reinstate our liberties and bring back adherence to the Constitution of the United States of America after too many years of an administration that has endeavored to destroy the republic.
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