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The Real Problem.
by Sycamancy

I was struck by the fact that here we have a whole article discussing what the Left ought to do about the shifting ideology of the Court...with nary a word as to what kind of jurisprudence the writer would propose ought to be used to counter the originalism, textualism, and conservatism that the majority of the Court employ (Justice Kennedy perhaps only occasionally). Fine, you don't like the reasoning that Justices Scalia and Thomas employ -- so what would you replace it with? What's your argument that this new approach is actually superior to theirs? Is it even the kind of jurisprudence that would be appropriate in an "aggressive" way?

That is the Left's real problem. When it comes right down to it, there is no real jurisprudence of the Left. There's a list of political outcomes that are desired (many of which I think are worthy at least on paper, although better suited to the legislative realm), but no real understanding of how to achieve these results jurisprudentially without making it look like a nakedly political power grab. Most of those on the Left I have spoken with have realized that Roe, while politically "correct," is jurisprudentially awful. You don't want that to be your model. But what is, then? Active Liberty tried to take a stab at it, but the ripples were modest at best compared to the influence of Justice Scalia's A Matter of Interpretation. The Left needs to do better than that.

But I doubt it can. The real answer to a conservative Court is for the Left to take hold of the legislature and pass laws that overturn disfavored rulings. When the Court makes a ruling on statutory interpretation that the Left doesn't like, fix the statute and the conservatives on the Court will follow it. That's one advantage of a conservative Court -- they'll actually follow the law when it's in front of them. Don't be upset that they interpret a grey area in a way you don't like. Fix the grey area.

Re: The Real Problem.
by the true conservative
Oh gee, the legislative process? How unfair of you. Don't you understand that the reason the left needs a liberal court is because they can't get their pet projects passed because the majority of americans are opposed to them?
Re: The Real Problem.
by HunterWagner74
And here's one great way to fix the gray area: Have a national referendum on abortion. One man or woman, one vote. Should abortion be legal or not? The winning position becomes law. That works for me. You conservatives okay with that?
Re: The Real Problem.
by NightSwimmer

No.

They are not.

Only the good people's opinion counts.

Re: The Real Problem.
by Don Schenk
Actually, if abortion was put up to a vote, over 3/5ths would vote to restrict it. That's why liberals needed the Supreme Court to ignore the Constitution and overthrow the laws of all 50 states back with Roe v. Wade.
Re: The Real Problem.
by the true conservative

HunterWagner74:
And here's one great way to fix the gray area: Have a national referendum on abortion. One man or woman, one vote. Should abortion be legal or not? The winning position becomes law. That works for me. You conservatives okay with that?

Not a national referendum. State by state, let the people vote. Yes, I am okay with that/

Re: The Real Problem.
by jwschmidt

Nobody has any clue what 3/5 of the country would vote for. I've seen polls that indicate just the opposite. And what kind of abortion? Which trimester? Lots more gray area here than you might want to believe.

Abortion should be established in the legislature, as Roe is a difficult legal sell. Regardless, the real action on the abortion debate is, and will be, at the state level. In some states its quite difficult to get one. In others, its not. And its because of local opinions and the legislatures thereoff. The national fight can be inspiring to some, but even if a national law were passed making abortion legal, plenty of states would do everything possible to restrict it in their borders.

Actually, that's quite wrong
by Horus

Unless the polls are completely wrong, Americans would likely support abortion by a comfortable, if not huge, margin.

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57% think abortion should be legal in "all or most cases..."

22% think abortion should "not be available..."

81% think abortion should be "always or sometimes legal..."

Pro-choice outnumber pro-life by 49% to 45%....

53% don't want Roe V. Wade overturned.

I rest my case...

Re: Actually, that's quite wrong
by Sycamancy

I won't predict what the state-by-state vote would be on abortion. But I figure that some states, like Utah, would mostly ban the practice. Some states, like Connecticut, would have a rather permissive abortion law. And some states would be in the middle, with abortion legal but with some restrictions (like on partial-birth, or second-trimester abortions, etc.). I would not expect the states to all come to a general consensus on such an emotional matter over time. There would always be variations.

However, I think the fact that abortion would, in some form, be legal in the great majority of states if left to a vote should give the Left some willingness to let go of Roe's jurisprudence and move on. Although I personally agree with the line Roe drew, the Court simply had no basis to get there. This was a legislative issue from the start, not constitutional.

Re: The Real Problem.
by harold66
Exactly. Thank you very much.
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