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Cheating Your Way Into Office
by Greco
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Saturday evening CNN broadcast a live appearance by both presidential candidates at Saddleback Church in California. The event was aired simultaneously on local radio stations, and transmitted over the internet. There were several pre-established conditions to the appearance of the candidates, explained by Rick Warren, pastor and sponsor of the event at Saddleback Church.

Rick Warren announced to the live television audience and church members in attendance, that each candidate would be asked the same identical questions, hearing them for the first time as they were being asked. He indicated that a coin toss determined that Barack Obama would appear first. Then to insure fairness, Rick Warren further stated, "We have safely placed Senator McCain in a cone of silence."

That wasn't true. It was intentionally false!

Barack Obama was introduced and the questioning began. John McCain wasn't even in the building. Thirty minutes into the broadcast John McCain finally arrived at the location for the first time. During the time he was supposed to have been in "a cone of silence", he was actually in a motorcade. There is absolutely no doubt the event organizers knew John McCain wasn't even in the building at the time the broadcast started. It defies logic that Rick Warren, the pastor and host was unaware of it. That didn't preclude him from falsely stating, "We have safely placed Senator McCain in a cone of silence." That's hardly the same thing as not even being in the building, actually being in a motorcade.

Is it possible McCain's staff had access to the internet? Of course. Is it possible McCain's staff had access to local radio stations? Of course. It's it possible McCain's staff had access to the CNN live broadcast? Of course. Would the temptation exist to tune in and gain an advantage by learning the questions in advance? Of course.

When John McCain was introduced, Rick Warren started by asking him, "Was the cone of silence comfortable?" McCain replied, "I was trying to hear through the wall." Rick Warren didn't make the announcement to the audience that John McCain wasn't even in the building, he continued to insinuate that the rules had been followed. John McCain didn't reply with an acknowledgement that he'd arrived late, and wasn't in the "cone of silence". He insinuated he'd followed the rules. It was misleading by Rick Warren, and false from John McCain.

As the McCain portion got underway, the person I was watching the event with kept commenting on how well McCain was doing in answering the questions. What made that observation relevant was the usual pattern of John McCain in live, unscripted events he's previously appeared in. We've jokingly referred to them as "senior moments", gaffs or misstatements. Frequently he becomes addled, confused, and facts become muddled, not that night. His answers were tightly phrased, concise, almost scripted, but totally out of character with what we've seen from McCain over and over in the past.

The next day one of the CNN anchors conducted an interview with Rick Warren and brought up the issue of McCain's absence during the time he was supposed to have been "safely placed in a cone of silence." Defending himself, Rick Warren claimed, "We asked him, we flat out asked him if he'd heard the questions." That was a false statement. What McCain was actually asked was the question, "Was the cone of silence comfortable?" That was the full and total questioning on that subject.

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Previously, during one of the Republican presidential debates before their field was narrowed, John McCain was caught cheating. It was a topic I wrote about at the time. John McCain was wearing some form of audio communication devise and answers were being whispered to him by some off-stage individual. I even provided a YouTube link in which you could actually hear the whispered prompts being furnished to McCain. That video has now been pulled from YouTube and is no longer available. But it existed, and it was cheating.

Now we have another questionable moment. We know absolutely that false statements were made about John McCain being in "a cone of silence", unable to hear his questions in advance. We know absolutely that Rick Warren made a false statement on CNN the next day defending his previous false statement. We know absolutely that John McCain has cheated in the past. We know absolutely that being fluid in verbal skills in unscripted events is out of character for John McCain. We know absolutely that the entire event is now tainted by the intentional false claims made by the event organizers at the time, and in follow-up the next day, as well as McCain's intentional mispresentation about being in "a cone of silence".

Organizers of the official upcoming presidential debates need to taking notes. There are ample reasons to take extraordinary measures to insure cheating doesn't go undetected and unchallenged. It's happened before, and there's little reason to expect future attempts won't be made. Unlike George W. Bush, I can accurately state the saying, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." There's an established pattern from the McCain campaign to cause future organizers to be on guard. We've and almost eight years of deception in the White House, we certainly don't need a candidate that wants to cheat his way into office.
C'mon, Greco...
by Nstig8r

You gave yourself a positive rating? On a cut and paste?!

I expect more from you...that's a Lamont Cranston move.

Don't worry, man...we've got Qtec90 on the job now and you'll surely get a "thumbs up" from Slate's own professional bona fide genuine post-rater extrordinaire!

Re: C'mon, Greco...
by Greco

I don't do "cut & paste". I'm more than capable of formulating thoughts and translating them into writing.

Here's a quick follow-up to my post. Apparently the McCain campaign is trying to do damage control over the issue of possible cheating.

The topic came up yesterday on Meet The Press. That prompted Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, to fire off a letter of protest to the president of NBC, even requesting a private meeting with him.

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It seems very unlikely if there wasn't some validity to the issue the highest members of McCain's campaign staff wouldn't be taking such extraordinary measures to counter it.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by stallrocket

I thought Obama did an excellent job explaining himself in a conversational, comfortable and thoughtful fashion. He wasn't simply rehashing campaign slogans as he tried to explain his positions on big issues, especially those he knew the crowd would not agree with.

McCain, on the other hand, was the usual simple campaign slogan hurler, preferring to give terse answers that he knew would resonate. One of the more bizzare answers related to gay marriage. While he claimed he was against a constitutional amendment prohibiting same sex marriage and that it was a state matter, he said in the next breath that he would be for such an amendment if his home state recognized same sex marriages. Huh?

Let's face it, these voters are not really Obama voters and he did his best to pick up a few of them.

As for the cheating, isn't it lucky for John McCain that the flip of the coin had Obama going first? What would have happened if the coin toss had McCain first and he was stuck in traffic for a half hour? That's some luck.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by UPNYA2

No shit, geco, THIS is what led you to act as if somehow McCain is cheating his way into office? All this, "its possible" horse shit?

Ok, what the fuck, I'll play along, hell, this is JUST my kind of game, sport.

Is it possible your momma had access to something that can be sold but is illegal? Of course. Is it possible your momma could have, at some point in her life, had to face the temptationof selling "it" anyway, to get a little economic advantage, so to speak? Of course.

Well, holy shit, geco, using YOUR fucked-up little loonie "logic", we can now all just assume, and post, as if, your mom is a hooker, correct?

No.

That is NOT correct. And, by the way, neither are you.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by Greco

Thanks for your usual non-relevant comments. Of course you didn't mention any of the intentional false statements that were made.

Maybe if your mama hadn't raised a fool you could have actually engaged in a discussion of the topic.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by UPNYA2

The truely sad thing is, geco, my, "usual non-relevant comments", are every bit as relevent to your post as your tired-ass "questionable moment" in this article would be to the title you selected for your post.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by Greco
And once again you avoided any discussion of the topic, reverting to the babbling you only seem capable of uttering.
Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by UPNYA2

Ok, geco, lets shorten it up. Lets get to the point.

What was there about McCain not being there that made YOU equate it to him "Cheating" his way into office?

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by Greco

Well upee, talking about getting "back" to question your opponent was asked, but hadn't come up yet in McCain's portion, was kind of a clue. Combing that with the false statements about McCain being sequestered in an isolation chamber so he couldn't hear the questions, when he wasn't even in the building is just a tad suspicious, don't you think?

Well duh, of course it is.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by UPNYA2

"a tad suspicious"?

Sure, if you want to assume cheating, sure, it is ""a tad suspicious".

Now, again, your momma is on the sidewalk, a sidewalk where crack whores sell themselves. Its late. If a policeman drives up, wouldn't that too be, dare we say it, (you KNOW I dare), "a tad suspicious"?

So, your moms a crack whore?

Ok, whatever. Personally, I don't believe it and would suggest you alter your perceptions of guilt.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by ctcadguy

Corporate Controled Media means the Corporate candidate will always get the benefit of the media.

McCain is the Corporate choice - why I do not know- but look at where the Corporate money is going.

Obama is keeping even in the money deptartment through small donors otherwise his goose would be cooked.

Re: Cheating Your Way Into Office
by Sanguine

Wait a minute!

If John McCain is as senile as you bunch of clowns have been asserting over and over again, ad nauseam how could he remember the questions Obama-lama-ding-dong was asked?

Hoist on your own petard, retards?

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