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Show me the money!
by Arlington
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As long as we keep paying instead of shooting, things will continue to improve. If we could stop shooting altogether and dump more money and more reconstruction help into Iraq, the place might become the "stable democracy" about which we've been hearing for six years.

We got what we wanted in the first place: oil coming out of Iraq, a foothold in the region, permanent military bases, influence, a dependent client right in the middle of a hotspot, etc. We will keep these things as long as we keep paying.

Hitchens celebrates the "liberation" of Iraq from the evil man Saddam. Fine, but let's be realistic about the support for terrorism, which can be expected to continue just as it continues in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria and all the rest. Saddam financed suicide bombers, but he never got along very well with al Qaida. Now that the Iran-friendly Shi'ite factions are free of Saddam, they're able to raise money and send it along via Iran. Some of that money comes from what we pay them not to shoot at our troops.

All this is happening as we post record deficits here at home. Most people realize we're paying our way to a "victory" in Iraq and it's not cheap. Most people also realize the "victory" will go away if we stop paying. Most people realize we can't keep this up forever, and we may have to stop paying sometime soon. Trouble on the horizon. We get to choose what kind of trouble we want, I suppose, but it's going to be painful either way. We can hang on to our victory and rack up enormous debt, or we can stop spending and lose what we gained at great cost.

Personally, I agree with Hitchens, although I don't agree with his reasons. We were foolish to commit to this course of action in the first place, but we'd be more foolish to walk away now.

The lesson we should take away is, "Don't listen to people like Hitchens when they moralize about toppling dictators and liberating people." If we do, we're going to invade Iran next.

Re: Show me the money!
by Hellzapoppin

I agree with pretty much all you've said, except, perhaps your last statement; I don't know that that's the "lesson" we take away, here. I certainly think there are fools who think moralizing about dictators is a way to set foreign policy, and we know their names. But (unlike many here I guess) I just don't think Hitchens is one of those fools. Yes, it is a "damned if we do...etc." position we're in. I'd rather we had never been put in such a position, but here we are.

I think the imminent "regime change" here in the United States will make it possible to open a few more doors in the region without fighting, while remaining realistic about the continued support for terrorism in the region. "Bad cop/good cop." And I think this will be more or less true whether we get Obama or McCain.

Re: Show me the money!
by NightSwimmer
Hitchens failed to mention this good news...
Re: Show me the money!
by inedal
stable democracy in iraq? who are you kidding. iraq will become a theocratic tribal-ruled society, influenced by Iran. the neo-con bush dream of stable democracies in the arab world is just a pip-dream, brought on by lust for oil profits. the shias in iraq will slaughter the sunnis when they have a chance, and lots of tribal wars will take place. women's rights are already curtailed, and the future looks like another autocratic religious state denying freedom of religion, etc. to the underlings.
Re: Show me the money!
by Hellzapoppin

inedal:
stable democracy in iraq? who are you kidding. iraq will become a theocratic tribal-ruled society, influenced by Iran. the neo-con bush dream of stable democracies in the arab world is just a pip-dream, brought on by lust for oil profits. the shias in iraq will slaughter the sunnis when they have a chance, and lots of tribal wars will take place. women's rights are already curtailed, and the future looks like another autocratic religious state denying freedom of religion, etc. to the underlings.

Okay...So you are:
1. Anti-Arab and think we should bomb them back to the stone age?

2. anti-"neoconBush" and think we should hightail it out of there and just leave them alone?

3. an ostrich who just wishes it never happened?

4. Just blowin' off steam?

What's your plan, stan?

Re: Show me the money!
by bsharporflat

I guess the plan is.....Obama! Hahahahahahhahahahaaah...um...­Well, electing Obama will teach YOU a lesson anyway ;-).

Re: Show me the money!
by apropos1

Thanks for the link. We're fighting a damn war over there and China gets to make deals to get the oil? That's rich.

Re: Show me the money!
by b0nnylass

Well, it's kind of hard to blame China for capitalizing on the situation. We can't really blame them for our stupidity.

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