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Why I support Obama : - )
by Ralph7
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I’m sorry. I was too ignorant to understand that patriotism is not what we progressives feel, but now I understand: "White man’s greed runs a world of need." Obama's words speak to my inner Racial/Marxist. I know! I’ll wear a Che T-shirt instead of an American Flag lapel!

I wonder why 40% of Americans did not understand the context of the hate speech coming from Obama and his spiritual leaders? The unenlightened ones must not be elite enough to hate greedy whitey too, so they 'cling to God, guns and racism’ - as Obama preached about them to our San Francisco brothers. We understand!

Obama directed derogatory racial stereotypes towards working class white people to oppress and make whitey into victims. Al Sharpton, help poor whitey, so that they can begin to heal as a people and stop oppressing the rest of us.

As Obama's mentor teaches, FU whitey for giving us AIDS and drugging KFC! Now that our President can speak power to our hatred, for the first time in my life, I’m proud of America too. Stick your white-male-power corporations up your arses! Let's tax EXXON!

Now, I’m ready to vote for Obama too!!!

Wikipedia: Obama’s church, "Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago is … the best example of a church formally founded on the vision of Black liberation of theology…This theology maintains that African Americans must be liberated from multiple forms of bondage — social, political, economic and religious… one of victimization from white oppression."

Black liberation of theology "interprets that the language of "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" as nothing more than channeling the views of Karl Marx…. James Cone and Cornel West have worked to incorporate Marxist thought into the black church, forming an ethical framework predicated on a system of oppressor class versus a victim much like Marxism."

Black Theology Quotes:

1. "All white men are responsible for white oppression."

2. "Black Power is an affirmation of the humanity of blacks in spite of white racism. It says that only blacks really know the extent of white oppression, and thus only blacks are prepared to risk all to be free."

3. "Racism is possible because whites are indifferent to suffering and patient with cruelty."

4. "The demonic forces of racism are real for the black man. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."

5. "Black theology cannot accept a view of God which does not represent God as being for oppressed blacks and thus against white oppressors. Living in a world of white oppressors, blacks have no time for a neutral God."

6. "If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

Quotes from Obama’s Spiritual Mentor:

1. "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America'? No. No. No. Not 'God Bless America,' 'God damn America.' God damn America for killing innocent people."

2. "They will not only attack you if you try to point out what’s happening in white America. U.S. of KKK A."

3. "We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost."

4. "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. ... We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns and the training of professional killers. ... We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God. ... We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. … We started the AIDS virus. ... We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty."

Obama Quotes:

1. "White man’s greed runs a world in need."

2. "Mankind is divided into rich and poor, into property owners and exploited; and to abstract oneself from this fundamental division; and from the antagonism between poor and rich means abstracting oneself from fundamental facts."

3. "I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by b0nnylass
Ralph, that's about the 17th time you've posted that same 'information'. Don't you have anything better to do than obsess about Obama all day? Maybe you should get a hobby.
Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by MattW
Hey Ralph, I hear those hooded white robes are hard to fit. Can you confirm?
Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by tubbs

Maybe you should get a hobby.

Or a job.

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Ralph7

Mattw - Don’t you think it’s interesting that quoting Obama, his mentor, and his church’s words in context makes someone a racist if we take their exact words at face value?

"The word “racist” is so misused by the wolf calling left, that is no longer has meaning. A Liberal will automatically belch out the word “racist” in a conditioned/reflexive response without thinking. We should all take the name calling as verbal farts from open-mouthed/mind-closed indoctrinated progressives, nothing more." - Ralph7

As I predicted, you have completely fulfilled my stereotype of an indoctrinated liberal. Did I oppress you with my stereotype? Are you my victim? Will you continue to fail if I don’t stop oppressing you? Will you succeed if you can convince me of my ignorance?

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by SandyB
Ralph is obviously one of those angry little men...the kind that goes postal. Everyone ignores him, and he is MAD. MAD I tell you, MAD! He just wants us to HEAR him, after all, somebody somewhere should listen to him. His beliefs are so IMPORTANT!
Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by MattW

Ralph,

I'm sorry if my liberal knee jerked in response to your conservative 'argument.'

1) I wasn't responding to the quotes you supplied, but rather to your semi-sarcastic commentary that preceded them.

2) You have sourced none of your quotes (except for that fountain of scholarship, the Wikipedia), and therefore completely robbed them of context, which might commit the sin of de-radicalizing them. How can I take you seriously? This is typical blathering-head strategy. I mean you do use the oh-so-clever device of deriding context so as to justify leaving it out, but that is just plain stupid.

3) I'm surprised you didn't mention arugula, bowling, and orange juice. Maybe you just forgot. Be sure to include those talking points next time you post this.

4) You post a bunch of stuff specifically calculated to strike fear in the hearts of those who fear that Obama will... what?.. enslave the white race? I call you a racist. You say, "Hah, liberals always say that someone is racist when they say racist things."

Why not use these Obama quotes, which seem to convey the opposite of your caricature?

"There is not a Black America and a White America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America."

from Of Thee I Speak: A Collection of Patriotic Quotes

"Our goal is to have a country that's not divided by race. And my impression, as I travel around the country, is that that's the kind of country that most people want, as well, and that we all have prejudice, we all have certain suspicions or stereotypes about people who are different from us, whether it's religious or racial or ethnic, but what I think I found in the American people, I think there's a core decency there, where if they take the time, if they get the time to know individuals, then they want to judge those individuals by their character."

from Larry King Live, Oct. 19, 2006

"Across America, a constant cross-pollination is occurring, a not entirely orderly but generally peaceful collision among people and cultures. Identities are scrambling, and then cohering in new ways. Beliefs keep slipping through the noose of predictability. Facile expectations and simple explanations are being constantly upended. Spend time actually talking to Americans, and you discover that most evangelicals are more tolerant than the media would have us believe, most secularists more spiritual. Most rich people want the poor to succeed, and most of the poor are both more self-critical and hold higher aspirations than the popular culture allows."

from The Audacity of Hope

"I am filled with love for this country."

final line of The Audacity of Hope

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Ralph7

Matt in paraphrase: The quotes are not properly sourced. Wikipedia is not an academic source. Using sarcasm and the words of Obama to portray the racial/Marxist side of his personality is racist even though you predicted my response. Besides I have some ‘multicultural ideology’ and pseudo patriotic quotes that contradict his other quotes.

Ralph: You have NO evidence that I misquoted anyone; In fact, the quotes are true. (Goolgle them.). Obama, the pastor he chose to perform his marriage ceremony, and the church he chose to attend for two decades, undoubtedly are adherents of Black Liberation Theology, for which Wikipedia has accurately described.

If racial Marxism doesn’t make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps you are deficient in common sense? Perhaps you buy into the philosophy of ‘oppression and victimization,’ and I just outed another racial Marxist?

Are you as racist as the Obamas? Is you all's racism as ugly as seems to those of us who are oppressed by your hatred?

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by MattW
<Yawn> Anything else?
Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Davelias12

Ralph:

Are you denying that racism against blacks existed? Or that they are wrong to express their anger over it?

Are you denying that the bombs of Nagasaki and Hiroshima kill hundrededs of thousands of civilians?

Is the Israel/Palestinian conflict one-sided?

Are Black Power adherents not allowed to feel pride, especially when their rights were trampled upon for so long?

Your stupid rants are pathetic. I also love how you constantly belittle liberals while getting all pissy about the namecalling. Double standard?

Give me ONE example of the Obamas professing any sort of racism whatsoever.

Hatred? WTF are you talking about?

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Davelias12

P.S:

Should we talk about all the homophobia and gay-bashing from the Catholic Church? The vile, hate-filled-fat-fuck-glad-he's­­­-dead Jerry Falwell that said the Jews and gays were responsible for 911? Pat Robertson, John Hagee, or Fred Phelps?

I mean, if you wanna get all specific with the religious hatred, and shit.

Oh yeah, I also seem to remember a certain pastor visiting the Clinton White House.

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Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by redwhite&blue

Great post Ralph, notice how nobody wants to discuss the quotes, they only want to shoot the messenger! Typical Obama supporters, they turn a blind eye to what has been said (in context) and divert the topic to personal attacks against the poster. Hang in there Ralph, we will not disown you like Obama said he would not disown his Uncle-like reverend, whom in the end, he did end up throwing under the wheels of the flip-flop express!

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Davelias12

Red:

First, the quotes were not made by Obama. Yet, Ralphie continues to call him a racist. Talk about shooting the messenger. If he had brought up any real issues they probably would have gotten a decent response, but ,alas, it's back to the barn for you two.

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Ralph7

Dave

You are an adherent to the same ‘victimization/oppression’ ideology that Obama represents. Being a victim does not give you superior status. In fact, being a sanctioned victim or oppressor means absolutely nothing. Do you understand this point?!

For example, Palestinians regularly plan, plot and target the Jewish civilians for murder. Palestinians celebrate after they murder Jewish children at birthday parties. Israelis target terrorists. Do you understand this point?!

To a victimization/oppression ideologue, the victim-Japanese have no culpability when it comes to WWII because they are sanctioned victims under American nuclear oppression. Along with creating hundreds of thousands Korean, Filipina and Chinese sex slaves, Japan even tortured and murdered a million Chinese civilians at Nunkin. Do you understand that the Japanese were not victims; they were aggressors who had enslaved half of Asia before attacking the US at Pearl Harbor?

Because you not understand the difference between the two groups (guilt should be based on culpability and not victimization status), I’m not surprised by your anti-Semitism.

The simple-minded, hate-filled ignorance of ‘you all’s’ philosophy is sickening to most of us. I’m disgusted.

Re: Why I support Obama : - )
by Davelias12

Ralph;

Who's playing the victim? Not me, nor is Obama; no one is--except maybe you. What I was attempting to do was illustrate that it's about perspective; what side you're on.

You make outrageous claims based on your narrow-minded point of view and rigid guidelines of "who's right." You call Obama a racist because his pastor was angry; you call me an anti-semite--even though I'm Jewish--because I mentioned the fact that there's two sides to a story. Again, offering no evidence whatsoever for either. It's just plain ridiculous.

Your hate is seeping through. Get over yourself.

To a victimization/oppression ideologue, the victim-Japanese have no culpability when it comes to WWII because they are sanctioned victims under American nuclear oppression. Along with creating hundreds of thousands Korean, Filipina and Chinese sex slaves, Japan even tortured and murdered a million Chinese civilians at Nunkin. Do you understand that the Japanese were not victims; they were aggressors who had enslaved half of Asia before attacking the US at Pearl Harbor?

Right, this was done primarily by the civilians--the majority of whom were killed in the bombings.

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