...that Obama is in tune with the world, and reality. It should, but never will, prove to Republicans that the virtual world between Republican's ear is utter crap. Unfortunately, Republicans only listen to themselves, so when the Premier of Iraq is asking US forces to be out by 2010, the Republicans only hear McCain's hundred year war for our security because, folks, "I been there in the POW camp and because of that know all the dangers facing America in the past, present and future". Republicans are suckers for such crap, 'cause they eat it up from the pulpit every week.

Excellent and well done. The right is destroying itself. They have taken their mandate to rule and completely fucked up everything in their ideological hissy fits. The best thing that ever happened to us is their complete rule for several years. Now that they are exposed as charlatans and incompetents, we can now have adults take over and restore our sanity and well being.

Adults take over? Neither of these posts seem very adult to me. Things are indeed screwed up but both the right and the left have little reason to point any fingers. Dem's in control of congress for two years. Have you noticed any change? Seems as if not a one of them gives a lick about doing anything that works toward solving a problem unless by chance it is a choice supported by their supporters.

It seems totally irrational to me that so many of Obama supporters are proclaiming his lack of experience as a badge of honor. That to me is pretty scary.

His tour proves to me that he is wiling to take two unrelated events and claim them as proof that he is all knowing. But they buy it so who is the dummy.

I just saw Obama walk into a large auditorium full of troops in Iraq. He got a standing ovation.

So much for the claim that McCain owns the military vote.

GOP so the Senate is out of bounds. When you have a Congress in lock step with the Executive and a small majority, you can't do much but you knew didn't you? As for Obama's trip being a joke, tell that to the many people around the world who look upon him as their best hope for a sane policy and a return to normalcy after all these years of right wing extremism. No one thinks he will wave his wand and everything will be perfect. We can only hope that by increments, he will turn this beast around and make a prince out of a very ugly toad.

middleview wrote the following post at 07/21/2008 3:15 PM:

"I just saw Obama walk into a large auditorium full of troops in Iraq. He got a standing ovation.

So much for the claim that McCain owns the military vote."

Yes, and they were overwhelmingly black troops. Big surprise.

I wouldn't go by what a network camera shows in a small auditorium crowded with darkies in order to state authoritatively that McCain doesn't own the military vote.

He doesn't own it, but he does tend to get it.

It was an army film crew. The media wasn't allowed in and it was a predominantly white crowd.

I guess you didn't see it.

I am not so sure I buy this one. The media was not allowed in? Where did you see this?

Standing ovations do not mean anything other than what the people in that room felt. To think that everyone in the military would vote for McCain is far more idiotic than saying everyone who is black will vote for Obama.

The polls show in total numbers it is a close race so is it so hard to believe that there will be a good amount of support where ever he goes.

The polls on a state by state basis are not looking so good for McCain. I know if I was over there on my 4th tour I would vote for someone who is all for getting out quickly. But you also need to remember that the military is made up of a large number of reserves. Hard to imagine that they would all vote McCain.

middleview:

It was an army film crew. The media wasn't allowed in and it was a predominantly white crowd.

I guess you didn't see it.

I don't follow your point.

Regardless of who filmed it, it was filmed. And it showed not a predominantly white crowd, but a predominantly black crowd. If the crowd was indeed predominantly white, then the filming crew was misrepresenting them, for I saw LOTS of black faces applauding, certainly many more than white faces. And I saw this on MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell reporting, and on CNN.

raptor5618:

Standing ovations do not mean anything other than what the people in that room felt. To think that everyone in the military would vote for McCain is far more idiotic than saying everyone who is black will vote for Obama.

OK try this one then.

Nearly everyone in the military would vote for McCain.

Nearly everyone who is black will vote for Obama.

Feel better>

and sound bites of Obama shaking hands with some foreigners in various 3rd world shitholes.

That will translate in what's left of the typical American voter's mind to, "Oh, OK, maybe he does know something about Foreign Policy."

should work out pretty good.

That will work out even better if McCain does another speech in which he uses the names of two different countries interchangably (ie...Somalia and Sudan) or mentions a country that no longer exists as an issue for his current foreign policy (Czechoslovakia) or discusses the border between two countries (Iraq and Pakistan) that are actually 700 miles apart and separated by a third country....Iran.

depends on how much of the clip you saw. When the video clip includes a 360 of the gym it shows the whole crowd. If you only saw the side closest to Obama it might have looked like there were a lot of blacks....

You originally posted in a manner that made it sound like more sour grapes over the press.

That is why I brought up Andrea Mitchells gripe about not being allowed to interview the troops.

middleview:

depends on how much of the clip you saw. When the video clip includes a 360 of the gym it shows the whole crowd. If you only saw the side closest to Obama it might have looked like there were a lot of blacks....

You originally posted in a manner that made it sound like more sour grapes over the press.

That is why I brought up Andrea Mitchells gripe about not being allowed to interview the troops.

The refusal or demurral to not allow the troops to be interviewed by mainstream press is one issue, and it's a good one. However, the concern of my posts has to do with what was shown.

It's entirely within the realm of probability that what you said is true. If so, then it smacks of deceit and propaganda. It also smacks of Karl Rove.

Remember in the 2000 and 2004 Republican presidential campaigns, whenever Dubya had a speaking venue, the arenas or sportsdomes or whatever were packed full of Dubya groupies, and anyone with a dissenting view was refused entry? In order to make it look like everyone was on the same page with Fearless Loser, thousands cheer; the multitudes clamor at the gate. Looking ever so much like some Leni Riefenstahl ode to Fascism, or some Stalinist edit of the happy proles.

So, is this the Obama campaign imitating what works? If the recipe calls for leaving the truth on the cutting-room floor, is the end result justifiable, to win through suppression? Does this make Obama more like Dubya?

Why not interview the troops to see how they really feel, and not just the ones who got anointed to actually be in that gym, but ALL of them?

Obama is not to be trusted. Remember, liberals, when the gods mean to punish you, they give you what you want.

No BO in '08!

I have seen the Bush/Cheney campaign exclude people from political rallies. I have seen the secret service order people carrying anti-Bush signs to move a block or so away from the route of the Bush motorcade.....wouldn't want those pesky anti-Bush veterans to get any media coverage. I know of the Bush people having people arrested for as little as having an anti-Bush bumper sticker. Now McCain has done the same thing with a 65 yr old librarian with a "McCain = Bush" sign at his Denver town hall.

Obama wouldn't get to pick which troops would be in the gym. Are you saying that the commanding officers of the local unit would stack the deck in favor of Obama? Are you saying that somebody threatened the troops to force them to respond so favorably?

The military probably made the rules about interviews with their soldiers....remember that active duty & in uniform troops are not to endorse (or even participate in) political events. Something Bush/Cheney repeatedly violated.

"Truth on the cutting room floor"? Who do you suppose edited the film clips made available by the military PR office?