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Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Greco
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On July 8, 2008 Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demanded a U.S. troop withdrawal timetable. In a story published on July 7th by Reuters…

"Today, we are looking at the necessity of terminating the foreign presence on Iraqi lands and restoring full sovereignty," Maliki told Arab ambassadors in blunt remarks during an official visit to Abu Dhabi, capital of the United Arab Emirates. One of the two basic topics is either to have a memorandum of understanding for the departure of forces or a memorandum of understanding to set a timetable for the presence of the forces, so that we know (their presence) will end in a specific time."

The next day, on July 9th, 2008 The Associated Press published a follow up story on the subject.

"Our stance in the negotiations under way with the American side will be strong," said Iraq's national security adviser, Mouwaffak al-Rubaie, a day after the country's prime minister first publicly said he expects some type of timeline. We will not accept any memorandum of understanding that doesn't have specific dates to withdraw foreign forces from Iraq," al-Rubaie told reporters.

Later that day The White House released a statement that said it did not believe Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki was proposing a timeline for U.S. troop withdrawals. After reading the explicit statements from Prime Minister and later his National Security adviser, it’s extraordinary that George W. Bush couldn’t comprehend the clear message expressed in their statements. But apparently he couldn’t.

On Friday, July 18, 2008 The White House started using the phrase “time horizons” to discuss our departure from Iraq. No one has ever heard that phrase before and it has no meaning. It’s obvious the Iraqi government wasn’t familiar with it either. You can almost hear the Prime Minister saying to one of his aides, “What part of go home doesn’t that dim bulb get?”

So on Saturday, July 19, once again the Prime Minister of Iraq issued another statement to George W. Bush. This time he used small words, simple words, that shouldn’t exceed the comprehension skills of a fifth grader. He said, “The U.S. troops should leave Iraq as soon as possible, prolonging their stay would cause problems.”

That should be clear enough, even to George W. Bush, who had already started building 58 permanent U.S. military bases. That should be clear enough, even to John McCain, who had said he wanted the U.S. military to stay in Iraq for 100+ years. That should also answer the question about McCain’s judgment in foreign affairs.

In case it doesn’t, Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki also said, “Presidential candidate Barack Obama's suggestion of 16 months is the right timeframe for a withdrawal."

So after spending year after year making one incorrect assessment after another about the war in Iraq, it comes down to this defining moment for John McCain. After John McCain has made volumes of claims about Iraq that turned out to not only be wrong, they were often ludicrous, he now finds his entire position on Iraq is wrong. His assessments have been absolutely wrong. His plans are absolutely wrong. His judgment is absolutely wrong. The American people, in all the polls believe that, now it’s the official statements of the Iraqi government that prove it.

The democratically elected Prime Minister of Iraq said, “Presidential candidate Barack Obama's suggestion of 16 months is the right timeframe for a withdrawal." He didn’t say George W. Bush was right. He didn’t say John McCain was right. He said Barack Obama had the best judgment. He didn’t say a word about “surrender”. He just said we’ve overstayed our welcome, and since the hints about leaving weren’t working, his blunt, precise choice of words, “The U.S. troops should leave Iraq as soon as possible, prolonging their stay would cause problems.”, should leave little doubt what he means.

There’s no doubt this is a catastrophe for John McCain’s campaign. He hoped to project his judgment as a strength he could to sell to America. Now his judgment is a real, bona fide campaign issue. But it’s his bad judgment that has been hung out for all to see. There’s also no doubt this is a very embarrassing development for John McCain. Not only has his bad judgment been put on display, the Prime Minister of Iraq actually specifically named his opponent as the American with the best judgment of what to do in Iraq.

John McCain has no one to blame but himself. He invested all his campaign hopes in his sheep-like following of George W. Bush. That turned out to be a catastrophe for him. That also illustrates the bad judgment of John McCain. Putting his trust in George W. Bush, and casting his allegiance to the policies of the worst president in our nation’s history wasn’t a wise decision. After over seven years of bad judgment from the White House, it’s doubtful America has a thirst for more.

Now John McCain has to suffer the consequences, not just for Bush’s failure, but for his own colossal display of bad judgment.

Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Placebo
So what. Blah blah blah blah blah. Which liberal are you voting for?
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by wmou

An independent freely elected government of Iraq thinks the surge was successful and now it is time for the US troops to leave. Something the vast majority of war supporters said was the definition of success.

Not to anybody's suprise, the partisan democrats think it is a success for them.

Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Greco

"An independent freely elected government of Iraq thinks the surge was successful and now it is time for the US troops to leave. Something the vast majority of war supporters said was the definition of success.

Not to anybody's suprise, the partisan democrats think it is a success for them."

Well let's examine a few things you ignored.

George W. Bush was building 58 permanent U.S. military bases in Iraq. We'll never know how many billions of our dollars he's squandered on that fool's mission. But we don know they won't be used by the United States.

It's a lie that the vast majority of war supporters said a successful surge was the time to leave. Bush was building permanent bases. McCain said we should stay for 100+ years.

Also, you intentionally misrepresented the purpose of the surge. The purpose was not to hold down violence. The sole purpose of the surge was to hold down violence so the Iraqi government would meet very explicit "benchmarks" detailed in great depth by George W. Bush. The "benchmarks" were the sole purpose of the surge.

The "benchmarks" haven't been met, but oil is now starting to flow out of Iraq again. That's the change that's occured. That's why the Iraqi government has said it's time for us to go. They didn't say Bush can still use his 58 permanent bases. They said to leave. They didn't say McCain could keep U.S. troops there for 100+ years. They said to leave.

But above all else, the official Iraqi government said Barack Obama had the best plan. Not George W. Bush. Not John McCain. They intentionally singled out, and stated his name. They said Barack Obama was right and that absolutely proves Bush and McCain are wrong.

Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Lash LaRue

Placebo,King of The Pirate Anus Lickers, takes a break from his unclean fun to peck out more raving insanity on his smelly keyboard.

Get painful terminal cancer and suffer before death delivers you to your reincarnation as a shit eating rodent with fleas, you motherfucking scumbag.

I don't mean that in a nice way.

Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Placebo
What proof do you have George Bush was building any permanent bases in Iraq? You have photos of George Bush building things in Iraq? I thought he just pulled brush and cut down trees in Texas.
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Chief

If the esculation [surge] does prove to have made Iraq safe and free.........bush is still a failure....he made a mess, he cleaned it up [maybe], and now the Republikins are pretending it's a victory.

It seems the Republikans expect more from the average ten year old than from their appointed cic.

Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Greco

Here's the link to Bush's permanent bases in Iraq...

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Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Chief
Maybe bush is renting bases like the cows and horses he rents for photo ops. on his....Uuuh..."ranch" [or whatever].
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Placebo
I love it laRue. LMAO! Liberalism at it's hair pulling finest. Do you bang your head against walls too? Would you like some warm milk? How about some cookies?
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Placebo
I don't want a liberal link. I want before and after credible source satellite photos. Without those,....sit on it.
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Chief
Pity you didn't demand the same proof before we went into Iraq.........ain't it.
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by mark14

Nice try. You know satellite photos of US bases in Iraq are classified.

Meanwhile there is plenty of print evidence of US intentions to build permanent bases <link> and you all were arguing for a permanent Korea type presence as recently as last month. What a pathetic loser.

Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by Placebo
We had those chief.
Re: Stick A Fork In Him... He's Done!
by mark14
wmou - I know what a Republican partisan you are and I'll even grant you your definition of "success" if it makes you happy but the point is until last week Bush and McCain was pushing for a long term presence in Iraq without time lines for withdrawal but Maliki and his government just said set a time line and get out "just like Obama is saying". Guess you are a little NeoCon colonialist fundie at heart.
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