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This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by spiker
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Women are having repeat abortions. The jackasses who run around talking about how all women who get an abortion are doing so after some huge guilt ridden angst that evaporates in the calm reserve of introspection of right and wrong .......

The best part is that the monstrous abortionists twist this and say that it is lack of sex ed that is at fault or that abusive relationships are at fault. What a load of crap.

Hahahaha.... laughable, monstrous human beings the no holds barred abortionists.

1) Nearly a third of the women — 64,000 — were having a second or subsequent termination. Of these, 14,746 were on at least their third, more than 1,000 were on a fifth, and 29 had gone through eight or more.

The high level of repeat abortion has fuelled claims that the procedure is seen by many women as a form of fallback contraception rather than a last resort....

2) About half of all U.S. women having an abortion have had one previously. This fact—not new, but dramatically underscored in a recent report from the Guttmacher Institute on the characteristics of women having repeat abortions—may surprise and concern some policymakers, even prochoice ones. However, policymakers should be more disturbed by the underlying fact that the unintended pregnancy rate in the United States is so high, and that so many women experience repeat unintended pregnancies. Some of these pregnancies end in abortion and some end in unintended births. Indeed, it is not uncommon for a woman to experience both of these outcomes, as well as one or more planned births, during her lifetime.

3) The statistics on repeat abortions are very disturbing. Abortion is supposed to be something which is done with "great concern." It is frequently said, "no one has an abortion casually without giving it a lot of thought. " If abortion is taken so seriously by women there should be very few repeat abortions. And yet nearly 1/2 of all abortions in the U.S. are in this category. Health care professionals and abortion providers should be very interested in the causes of the phenomenon, but there has been very little interest in studying the women involved in the practice. Surgeon General Koop ignored repeat abortion in his recent letter on the health effects of abortion on women. This newsletter has included virtually all of the studies on the subject. These studies, primarily by pro-choice advocates, demonstrate increasing risk of infertility and reproductive damage as well as increasing adverse psychological and social effects....

4) Among women having abortions in the United States,about one-half have already had a prior abortion. This indicator—the level of repeat abortion—has attracted attention, sometimes negative: Women having a repeat abortion may be perceived as having difficulty practicing contraception, as lacking motivation to prevent unintended pregnancy, as using abortion as a method of family planning, or as being different from other women in more fundamental ways, such as ability to become pregnant and exposure to risk of pregnancy. In truth, however, little is....

5) Repeat pregnancy termination procedures are common in Canada (where 35.5% of all induced abortions are repeat procedures)1,2 and the United States (where 48% of induced abortions are repeat procedures).3,4,5,6,7 Rates of repeat induced abortion increased in both countries for an initial period after abortion was legalized, as a result of an increase in the number of women who had access to a first, and consequently to repeat, legal induced abortion.1,6,8,9 At present, rates of initial and repeat abortion in Canada and the United States appear to be stabilizing.2,7

You've come a long way baby.

Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by Eastheimer
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by spiker

Its called shock therapy for the muddle minded.

The repeated abortionist mythology has to be confronted.

It's not like I'm against all abortions it's just that I'm for abortions being regulated. Here do some reading on how abortions are regulated in Europe. Note how the more restrictive countries (Germany, France) on abortion have fewer abortions than the least restrictive (England). It seems a reasonable middle ground in this matter is more important than anything else.

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Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by BoneDaddy

If nearly a third of the women having abortions are having nearly half the abortions, doesn't that mean nearly a sixth of the women are having more than one a year? Or does it mean that "nearly" is being used the same way we're "nearly" on the moon (relative to being on Jupiter).

In any event, 64,000 women out of 150 million women is .04 percent of women using abortion as birth control (provided we're willing to make those jusdgment calls about people we haven't met). You know that's pretty good, as non-normative behavior goes, right? I'm not coming out in favor of it or anything, just showing some numbers.

Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by spiker

BoneDude,

Those underlined items were links to the full articles. Note that the 64,000 you refer to are in reference to English numbers and I believe your 150M is in reference to the United States.

Re: It's FUBAR, not foobar
by Lono

Fucked

Up

Beyond

All

Recognition

Don't want an abortion? Don't have one.

Re: It's FUBAR, not foobar
by spiker

Hey dimwit FOOBAR is a poster on the fray. But thanks for letting me know so quickly and easily how fubar'ed you personally are when it comes to basic logic, Lono :-)

I laugh in your general direction because of a general ignorance that must prevade your entire life. First for not working out that FOOBAR was possibly a poster and second for your complete lack of depth on the subject of abortion.

Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by bluekansasgirl

The thing about allowing people to have freedom is that there will always be at least a few who abuse the privilege. The trick is to try to keep as many of the abusers in check while not limiting the freedom of the general public. However, it's not really possible to do it, but it is necessary to try. Do I think it's a good thing that women are having repeat abortions and/or using it is a method of birth control? No, but I think it's necessary to accept the fact that allowing women the freedom to choose means that some of them will choose stupidly.

Of course, this would never fly with someone who's staunchly pro-life and wants to ban all abortion.

Re: Yea, well...
by Lono

excuse me for not knowing of the great and powerful foobar the Fray poster. It would have been really easy to inform me of the existence of foobar the Fray poster without being a dick. For somebody who isn't a dick, that is.

Have a nice day.


Re: Yea, well...
by spiker
You cry like a girl. I bet you throw like one. ;-)
Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by spiker

Listen to this carefully.

There is like a million abortions in the U.S. every year. Of those, 500,000 are repeat abortions. Of the remaining 500,000... well... 250,000 of those women will have another abortion sometime in the future.

That is 750,000 women who "carefully considered" and had a second abortion that year or sometime in the future. It means that even the women who will have some future abortion, character wise, are basically the same women who had their first abortion say this year.

The complaint is against the GROSS myth that all these women undergoing an abortion are careful, considerate human beings when taking this decision when clearly three quarters of them are not.

Stop feeeding the lie.

Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by FirstInLastOut
spiker:

Listen to this carefully.

There is like a million abortions in the U.S. every year. Of those, 500,000 are repeat abortions. Of the remaining 500,000... well... 250,000 of those women will have another abortion sometime in the future.

That is 750,000 women who "carefully considered" and had a second abortion that year or sometime in the future. It means that even the women who will have some future abortion, character wise, are basically the same women who had their first abortion say this year.

The complaint is against the GROSS myth that all these women undergoing an abortion are careful, considerate human beings when taking this decision when clearly three quarters of them are not.

Stop feeeding the lie.

Yeah, but the real questions is, "why do you care?" Abortion should be legal for the same reason suicide should be legal, because someone else's abortion/suicide doesn't affect you.

Morally, I don't think abortion is right, but I am pro-choice because I really couldn't care less if other people choose to kill their babies. Because again, it doesn't affect me. If their is a god, then god will sort it out. If there isn't a god, then who cares? It didn't affect you negatively so why do you oppose it?

Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by spiker

Abortion cheapens sex (simplistic).

Cheapened sex leads to widespread disease in society(simplistic).

Abortion cheapens life. It makes for a society that increasingly treats human life in a fashion that may one day affect me or mine.

I would be an amoral person not to care what my society is or what it will become. It is moral to vote in elections. It is moral to care.

Why did you care to write a post to me about not having to care. Why do you care? What I believe would not affect you! Why do you care? You must think me an idiot to buy into your line reasoning or you are.

Do you know who disproportionately gets abortions? Do you know how this cultural value stunts their growth? Do you know how much disease they have? It's not because of their race (i.e. IQ) as some would have you believe. It's because of their culture. Culture can be changed.

Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by mrsbirdy42
I totally have to agree with spiker. Did you know that one out of every four girls has an STD? Honestly, I'm not the type to go out and have sex with just anyone. But there are girls in my old high school that would. And I still know girls who would. Sex isn't as special act between two people who "love" each other anymore. It's something people do to have fun and if you get pregnant then oh well, you can just always get an abortion. I'm not for abortions, but I'm not against them. I believe in abortions only in extreme cases (such as someone I knew had to get an abortion because she was slipping in and out of commas when she was only 2 months pregnant). This affects everyone, because having sex with just anyone makes each and every relationship less special. There isn't anything that really defines a great relationship if you have fun with the person, have sex with the person, and possibly get pregnant with the person in EVERY relationship you have. Soon, because you get the impression that every relationship is just like the last one, you actually decide you want a kid. Eventually, because you never learned how to communicate and STICK WITH a partner, the parents divorce (actually, usually, they don't even marry, now days) and the baby grows up with a crappy childhood. I've seen this personally for the last 2 years, with someone I know who has 3 kids, and doesn't even talk to the father. Look around. There's an abortion craze. Sex is ok to have with anyone and everyone. And the morals and responsibilities of our country seems to go down every year. So yes, this abortion craze affects everyone, including you.
Re: This kind of thing deserves top billing - foobar.
by FirstInLastOut
spiker:

Why did you care to write a post to me about not having to care. Why do you care? What I believe would not affect you! Why do you care? You must think me an idiot to buy into your line reasoning or you are.

I don't care really. I was just bored, similar to why everyone else posts on here. And I wouldn't try to pass a law enforcing what you're allowed to post, though that is what you are proposing for abortion, even though the decision does not directly affect you.

To say that you should be able to force someone to make a decision because it might negatively affect society in the future doesn't hold up. If thats the case then I should be able to force everyone to stop driving cars, because they might cause global warming in the future.

spiker:

Do you know who disproportionately gets abortions? Do you know how this cultural value stunts their growth? Do you know how much disease they have? It's not because of their race (i.e. IQ) as some would have you believe. It's because of their culture. Culture can be changed.

Who? You're going to have to be more explicit on this one.

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