New Ads released today ...a whole slew of them from McCain.com.

I know I'll catch hell for this from the Obama fans but couldn't resist because in truth this breaking his word is what really bothers me about Obama.

Great ad...

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Check McCain's ad titled "Love" if you like..even the democratic strategists praised it as highly effective today on MSNBC.

LaurieAnnM:

New Ads released today ...a whole slew of them from McCain.com.

I know I'll catch hell for this from the Obama fans but couldn't resist because in truth this breaking his word is what really bothers me about Obama.

Great ad...

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Check McCain's ad titled "Love" if you like..even the democratic strategists praised it as highly effective today on MSNBC.

If McCain has broken his own word and he has, what does a black kettel calling other kettles black prove, but their hypocrisy? That goes for Obama, for McCain, for Clinton, for Bush, et al.

I think before we let others tell us in what way people have changed or "broken their word", we look into it ourselves and see if their is any merit to the mudslinging that occurs back and forth.

If it not okay for Obama to do it, what makes it okay for McCain to do it or vice versa? Perhaps that all do it is the issue we should be discussing and holding all accountable to or we discuss the merit or justification for "changes" to determine if they are indeed something worthy of being admonished or changes of course because something has caused the planned course to be altered.

If all sides are doing it, what meaning is there to trying to claim the other is worse for "breaking their word"?

Were as fickle and as hypocritical as anyone we call fickle and hypocritical, thus it would seem we are play actors in our very own theater of the absurd.

If John McCain was without "sin", then his ad might have more meaning. I voted for John McCain in 2000, I won't now because he has done what he is saying Obama has done.

hope heads have said that Obama is different and they put Hillary down for many of the same things Obama is doing. They called Hillary a liar, when Obama "spins" things as well. These Obama supporteres pissed off a lot of Hillary supporters by pretending that he holier than all other politicians. Obama is not the messiah that the hope heads think he is. In fact, it reminds me a lot of when W was running.

I will vote for Obama, but not because he is Obama....but, because he is not McCain.

scully:

hope heads have said that Obama is different and they put Hillary down for many of the same things Obama is doing. They called Hillary a liar, when Obama "spins" things as well. These Obama supporteres pissed off a lot of Hillary supporters by pretending that he holier than all other politicians. Obama is not the messiah that the hope heads think he is. In fact, it reminds me a lot of when W was running.

I will vote for Obama, but not because he is Obama....but, because he is not McCain.

If I am not mistaken, Obama has been called a liar all along, the same as each candidate has been since the race began.

I believe it is good to bring up and discuss the apparent "changes" any candidate makes to see if there is something more to it than simply a "broken word" or "broken promise".

If they are all flip flopping, then how can any one candidate call another candidate terrible because they have apparently flip flopped?

All it really does is suggest that either there is not "change" in the flip flopping facet of politics or that the roots and causes of flip flops are perhaps more important than a flip flop's face value. If everyone is flip flopping we still have to determine who we'll vote for based on further investigation into why they are flip flopping or some other value we are looking for in a candidate.

We could demand the candidates "stay their courses", but look where that has gotten us with the current administration?

Change (or a flip flop) is not always good, but it is not always bad either. All the candidates are open and subject to the same scrutiny as their opposition and the MSM seems to change or flip flop as much as anyone else, thus my point is that flip flopping per se and without further qualification cannot be called good or bad and if all are doing it, any point about flip flopping becomes moot without further qualification.

Scully, my thoughts on this are almost identical to whatyou said. I'm angry about the way Obama's cult trashed Clinton for the same kind of thing he's engaging in now, yet they turn a blind eye to it when it's him. But, angry as I am, I'm not angry enough to screw my country over by letting McCain get elected, so I'll vote for Obama.

Arkady:

Scully, my thoughts on this are almost identical to whatyou said. I'm angry about the way Obama's cult trashed Clinton for the same kind of thing he's engaging in now, yet they turn a blind eye to it when it's him. But, angry as I am, I'm not angry enough to screw my country over by letting McCain get elected, so I'll vote for Obama.

LOL. - You can't stop McCain from being elected any more than you stopped Bush.

Weren't you the one repeatedly stating with absolute conviction that Clinton would win the nomination (based on Bush having said so). Surely you can spot why your political predictions count for absolutely nothing here.

Arkady:

Weren't you the one repeatedly stating with absolute conviction that Clinton would win the nomination (based on Bush having said so). Surely you can spot why your political predictions count for absolutely nothing here.

The fat lady hasn't sung yet; Obama has not been nominated and there is a war within the party about Clinton's name being put into nomination; something Obama is fighting with all his influence in the party, i.e. Howard Dean and clan.

She won't be nominated because Bush siad so, but she should have based on "principles of democracy". The Party has been hijacked. I'm sure even Bush didn't give Dean credit for being this much of a facist.

Arkady:

Surely you can spot why your political predictions count for absolutely nothing here.

Like that really matters, but my batting average is way above yours. I predicted both Bush wins and you predicted Gore and Kerry wins.

My predictions may not count for much but yours can't even be considered as possibilities.

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What makes you think I predicted Gore and Kerry wins?

Arkady:

Scully, my thoughts on this are almost identical to whatyou said. I'm angry about the way Obama's cult trashed Clinton for the same kind of thing he's engaging in now, yet they turn a blind eye to it when it's him. But, angry as I am, I'm not angry enough to screw my country over by letting McCain get elected, so I'll vote for Obama.

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Do what you like come election time, people have and people will. That might be why some win, some lose. Time will tell which of the candidates was taken most to task for their staying the course or adjusting their course. The same attacks and the same defenses have been used and are available.

John Kerry was crucified for his flip flops and they were defended at the same time. Because a small relative margin of people were convinced by Swiftboater types, Kerry lost. Perhaps if people studied the basis for some of his changes of heart objectively, rather than subjectively, they might have seen there were sound reasons for some of his changes.

As I said, not all change is good, but not all change is bad. Perhaps it is because we as Americans may be suffering from identidy and meaning of life crisises based on facing the prospect of having to radically adjust our lifestyles, we don't seem to know what we really want or what direction we want to go in and as a result debate and argue flip flopping as opposed to the basis for a change or "flip flop".

There was/is no less a Clinton "cult" than Obama "cult" and perhaps the use of such to describe those who support any other candidate, Obama included, further alienates potential voters rather than attracts them.

So go ahead and continue to use such terminolgy and go ahead to threaten a spite vote, the response to such thoughts, threats and actions is a risk you'll have to take and one you may want to think about from the perspective of Hillary having been the front runner versus Obama. If you truly and honestly think McCain is preferable to Obama based on what you see, then throw your hat in with McCain. That is the risk and the price Obama is taking and will pay, no less, no more, than any other candidate has and will from the present.

Read what I wrote. I said I'd vote for Obama. But there very definitely was not a "Clinton Cult" in the sense that there was an "Obama Cult." Clinton's supporters ranged from the extremely grudging to the moderately enthusiastic. They included very few people who showed anything like a cultish devotion. They weren't constantly waxing rhapsodic about her inspirational speeches, or attributing to her a magical ability to bring Americans together, or predicting she'd somehow be able to reinvent politicis, or even pushing the notion that she was more forthright than your typical politician. They saw her as competent, smart, hard working, and pragmatic, and that's it. They thought she was the best choice available, but they didn't mythologize her into a once-in-a-lifetime figure, the way so many Obama supporters have mythologized their guy. I use the cult imagery to describe a certain subset of the Obama support base because I think it applies. I've never seen such unguarded devotion to an American political figure on the left in my lifetime. I think they're in for a hard fall when they realize they backed someone who's effectively just a less experienced and less substantive version of Clinton.