oh how i have waited for this day, and now i will savor it.

for years i've been warning, on several different fray boards, that although global warming was a statistical certainty, placing the blame soley, or even principally on C02 emissions was clearly incorrect.

now it turns out that the 50,000 scientists who are members of the American Physicial Society agree with that conclusion..

in the article linked below, they use phrases like

• "considerable presence within the scientific community of people who do not agree that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are primarily responsible for global warming"
• "the IPCC (has made) numerous exaggerations and extensive errors"
• "the IPCC was deliberately concealing and obscuring its method."
• "natural variability is the cause of most of the Earth's recent warming"
• "In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years ... Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth"

Get that, global warming groupies? 50,000 scientists say you were duped.

But do I expect ANY of the diehard believers to reassess their positions?

Of course not. Global warming is the new creationism. No amount of science is going to change some people's minds.

Just don't put global warming creationists in charge of the energy policy and the US economy, please. let them worship privately, but not impose their religion on others who chose to follow legitimate science.

here's the dreaded <link>

while the article is right, that the sun has been more active, it also means that the holes in the ozone let more of the more abundent sunshine in. who caused holes in the ozone? all the co2 from all the bullshit on the fray?

And I, for my part, will continue to call you Multibore GloryHole.

Sorry, that should have been : will

American Physical Society Response:

APS Climate Change Statement

APS Position Remains Unchanged

The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:

"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

intersurfa:

while the article is right, that the sun has been more active, it also means that the holes in the ozone let more of the more abundent sunshine in. who caused holes in the ozone? all the co2 from all the bullshit on the fray?

Ozone is a greenhouse gas. Less ozone means the opposite of what you think it means.

Gawd, you're quick!

I will savor that, ThP.

Please, edify me, if you will.

Are you saying that earth's natural ozone layer does not offer protection against the harmfui portions of the sun's spectrum?

Or are you just qubling with words, as usual?

the ozone gas is what reflects the sunlight. I quote from Wikipedia:

"Ground-level ozone is an air pollutant with harmful effects on the respiratory systems of animals and humans. Ozone in the upper atmosphere filters potentially damaging ultraviolet light from reaching the Earth's surface

why are so many americans so fucking stupid?

Uh - we can't claim responsibility for Schad.

He's from the Great White North.

Unless, of course, you meant "American" in the continental sense ...

From your linkie:

Update 7/17/2008: After publication of this story, the APS responded with a statement that its Physics and Society Forum is merely one unit within the APS, and its views do not reflect those of the Society at large.

You have the analogous problem with the difference between individuals' statements vs. societal positions that you have with the difference between individual data points vs. trends/ averages.

And though you now pretend otherwise, your posting of anomalies ("Wibaux, Montana hit an all-recorded-time low yesterday, ergo global warming's a hoax") long had no point other than denial that warming was even occurring, before you shifted your emphasis to causation.

And finally, you've been incessantly battling the strawman that ANYBODY credible EVER attributed observed warming "soley" [sic] to anthropogenic causes.

All that, and posts like this top-post (see update above!) are why you are rightly considered a scientifically illiterate, knee-jerk contrarian joke instead of the scientific savant you imagine yourself to be in your fantasies.

...BA, Schadenf....etc. are obviously educated, entertaining folks with imagination. It's frustrating as all get out to watch these guys wrestle with information, and fail to synthesize something intelligent.

Reading comprehension.